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#1 kfizz

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Posted March 28 2011 - 9:46 AM

Hi all!
I am going to try fly fishing in the surf for the first time when I go to Cardiff with my wife's family. I am wondering if anyone knows any great spots to go fish that is near there. Also if anyone has any suggestions on leader to use for surf. Thanks guys!
Kyle



#2 RJ

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Posted March 28 2011 - 2:05 PM

Y'all need to contact John Morgan, sol's resident Welchman. I believe he lives in Cardiff. UK


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#3 Mike Oliver

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Posted March 28 2011 - 4:29 PM

RJ,
John lives about 55 miles west of Cardiff. If the origional poster is talking Cardiff in Wales I would suggest that fly fishing there at this time of the year is a100% waste of time and even in the summer not much better. It is not great with bait either.

Mike



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Posted March 28 2011 - 6:43 PM

If you are actually talking about Cardiff By The Sea here in Cali. I can help.



Any fly will pretty much work as long as it's red or orange sizes from 2-8 work best for most species. Leaders don't need to be very technical, just something that turns over and is from 4-7 feet long. I fish shorter leaders on rough days and long leaders on calm days.



All the beaches have fish so it's more important to identify the structure and fish it well. You also need to fish your fly fairly slowly and keep in constant contact with it, slack line=fail.



If you want more info or a guide down that way let me know.



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Posted March 28 2011 - 8:10 PM

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to Cardiff by the Sea, California. Thanks for the advice! I am going to go tomorrow and find me some leader and will be in Cali next week.



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Posted March 29 2011 - 9:01 PM

Mike Oliver - Who knew there were two Cardiff's! Gore blimey! I'll PM you.


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Posted March 30 2011 - 3:34 PM

A few more things need mentioning.

Out here there is almost no place for a floating line. The vast majority of the time it's sinking shooting heads. I use the SA streamer express lines myself.



There are lots of different fish you can catch from the beach and some have teeth and/or Stingers, if you're not sure about it just cut the line. Watch where you wade, there are holes 10 feet from the shoreline that can be over your head! Shuffle your feet stingrays can be in very shallow water and a sting hurts like hell!



I use between 6-8wt rods most of the time. The Leopard Sharks are in close right now and a heavier stick is a good idea. Most of the time a 6 or 7wt is perfect though.

I'm sure I'll have more that I'll feel like sharing but for now that's a few more good tips.



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Posted March 30 2011 - 6:18 PM

Unskunkable, if you were to target the leopards, how would you rig up? Are they willing enough to take a fly to target them?



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Posted March 30 2011 - 7:21 PM

Unskunkable, if you were to target the leopards, how would you rig up? Are they willing enough to take a fly to target them?



I do target the Leopards quite a bit. Typically I use an 8-9 wt rod with either a sinking shooting head or an intermediate head, depending on the depth of the water they are holding in. Leader set up is simple I use about a 6 foot leader of 20lb test. I tie a bimini and furl the rear section to improve turnover, if I am strictly going for sharks I add a 12-16 inch section of 50 lb flouro as a shock tippet. I have used wire but they will almost always turn off the fly when they see the wire. When I am just fishing for anything then I just take my chances if they are around.



They will absolutely take a fly but with the way they feed foul-hooking is common. Take into consideration the fact they are feeding in turbid water near the bottom while you are stripping the fly fairly erratically and you can tell why. If you can see the sharks and feed the fly to them it makes life a lot easier as far as fair hooking them goes.



As far as flies go chartruese and white clousers or olive and white clousers in sizes from 1/0-4 do most of the damage. Crab flies and flies that imitate marine worms can also do very well. Fishing while there is a moving tide is a given but I do better at lower stages than at a high. I think part of that has to do with at lower tides I can see them better on the bars and in the troughs.



It is really crazy how shallow they will hang, many times I've been wading knee deep and literally had them go between my legs in murky water. That will give you a serious jolt! I've seen them in water so skinny they had to have been dragging their bellies.



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Posted March 30 2011 - 7:54 PM

That was some great information and such in such detail. Now I want to go.......thanks for sharing.