Hobie Mirage Drive vs. Native Propel Drive
Posted February 15 2011 - 06:25 PM
Seems like most people on this forum love the Hobie, but I see post after post of complaints like 'the boat does not track well when paddling' and several complaints of cracked hulls and dents, etc. The Mirage system seems pretty cool but is it better than the Propel and why?
On the other hand I have not found much conversation on the Native yaks. The Propel system looks efficient, has reverse, and can flip up out of the water when in shallow water, etc. I know it has some clearance issues but to be honest, I do most of my fishing in deeper lake water.
So please give me some compelling information so I can make a good choice. Regardless of what everyone says, I do plan on testing both out to see for myself.
Posted February 15 2011 - 11:38 PM
There is no perfect kayak out there. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses. Figure out what your requirements are for your kayak fishing and test out the boats that appear to suit your needs.
Don't buy a Hobie just because someone else loves theirs.
By the way, in some of the "Hobie vs. Native" reviews that you may google, the comparisons deal with Ultimate (one of the Native models) only which is more of a canoe. Native also makes two SOT models, a 10 and 12.5 footer. The 12.5 is similar to the Hobie Pro Angler in terms of speed.
Good luck with your decision process.
Posted February 16 2011 - 11:55 AM
So far I have noted the following from fourm discussions...
1. Hobie do not track well without rudder.
2. Hobie have had some issues with cracks and dents.
3. Hobie can manuver in shallow water with pedal system in place
4. Fins can be folded up against the hull when launching or shallow water.
1. Native track well in any configuration
2. Native can go in reverse
3. Native needs at least a foot of clearance so prop does not hit bottom.
4. Drive unit can easily be flipped up out of the water while you are in the boat and you can continue on with a paddle. Also makes lauching easy.
Please help me build on this list. So far I see more negatives for the Hobie. Most noteably the cracks.
Posted February 16 2011 - 02:14 PM
Peace sells....But Who's Buying?
Posted February 16 2011 - 02:46 PM
I don't find the hobie (Revolution) to be too bad to paddle, however because you can move in shallow water with the mirage drive, I never really have a need to paddle.
Posted February 16 2011 - 11:00 PM
My wife has a revo and it is quick, but the back and forth motion over time was harsh on the knees mostly the patela area. I still cant fully grasp how and why the flapping fins of the mirage drive works so well.
Posted February 16 2011 - 11:22 PM
Posted February 16 2011 - 11:52 PM
Again I don't have any native experience but I do road cycle and find the back and forth of the hobie drive very natural compared to the bicycle style pedaling. Add in the bulk of layers and drywear and the bicycle motion may become an issue but again I have no experience.
I think the "pedal both" answer is the best one. You will have a natural preference. Pick the one you like better. Both should be low to no maintenance and accomplish the same goals.
Both have the potenial to get weeds caught in the drives and rudders. Both risk damage from running aground. Both are hands free. Both cost money. Both have their shortncomings.
Posted February 18 2011 - 09:44 PM
Bingo,first off nobody who buys a hobie has any interest in paddling so that should be a non factor(the mirage drive is very reliable).Second is when you test them for yourself you will see what countless others have found and that is that the mirage drive is much more efficient.
I found the propel drive to be a real pita most of the time, its HEAVY, the effort you use to move it is much more than the hobie, it does not handle shallow water nearly as well but the main thing is that it requires more effort overall than the mirage drive .
It feels like your peddling a bike uphill all the time, the marage drive is very refined in comparison and still surprises me with its powerful thrust with minimal effort, even with minimal effort on the operators part the standard fins will propel you and all your heavy gear like a champ.
Posted February 19 2011 - 12:32 AM
Peace sells....But Who's Buying?
Posted February 19 2011 - 10:04 AM
i changed my sig because I wanted to and nobody made me!!!
Posted February 19 2011 - 11:59 AM
Posted February 19 2011 - 07:48 PM
I am likely getting a hobie revo this year but would not mind first trying a Native Propel. Wished there were more to choose from.