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#1 NJTramcar

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Posted December 03 2010 - 11:12 AM

I have narrowed down my kayaks to a few choices and thought I was set but now the kids want to go with me sometimes. For those of you with a two person kayak, how hard is it to operate by yourself? I know the kids won't be going with me all the time. Should I just stick with a single man kayak and rent a two man when they want to go?



#2 Magpie

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Posted December 03 2010 - 12:53 PM

Hey there,
I used a Pamlico 160 tandem for 5yrs yaking fishing. It was a barge. It was a sit in yak. I used to move the seat forward when I went out alone.
It was very good on fresh water lakes/ponds. Two adults could sit in it comfortably. The boat is not build for speed so you will have to paddle a bit harder when loaded-especially with an adult up front. With a child, probably not.
For ocean use, with two adults paddling and understanding how the forward paddler sets the pace and understands they are the eyes for the boat because the rear paddler can not see directly what is in front, you would be fine. A sit on top yak would probably be better.
I learned on the SoCo beaches in RI in that tandem when I started. If the boat is back heavy, you might encounter some tricky situations. I say this because with the more weigh in the back, the boat will ride lower in the back, the bow will be lighter and to be honest most tandems done really cut the waves well, they plow through them. There were times even with an adult, I have buried the bow in a wave with the rudder out of the water....if the child is just riding and not paddling, you will have to compensate a great deal more to keep the boat heading in the right direction with any sort of a chop...
With a tandem I always felt the boat was a yak built for two people, who together paddle like one...thats just me.
Please feel free to hit me up with more questions or comments about your yak decisions. I will try to offer any help I can.
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#3 highstrung

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Posted December 03 2010 - 12:53 PM

I have the Ocean Kayak Malibu Two that works out great for single kayaking. It has a third middle seat I use when kayaking solo so you are not unbalanced in the back or front seat. I sit in the rear to paddle my wife around while she fishes. With two adults in the kayak you can also fit a child in the middle. It also works great for a large person as the middle seat is almost flat and they can spill over on the sides. The little Frenzy kayak I have you need to first check out the size of your friend's ass before you can suggest they use it as they can't be overweight.



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Posted December 04 2010 - 11:06 AM

I have a Outback and I take two children(under 10yrs) on flat water fishing cruises all the time. By the time they are too big to go with me they will want their own boat.



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Posted December 04 2010 - 11:28 AM

I originally bought a Hobie Oasis tandem a couple of years ago, rigged it for fishing and use it w/wife and kids when they wanted to go. Planned on using it solo w/some ballast in bow to make up for weight difference when going alone, worked out ok. As I got more into fishing, bought a Hobie Adventure which worked out a lot better, still use the Oasis when the wife wants to go.
Picked up a Revo for when kids; well they're adults now, lol, visit and want to fish. Hopefully the misses will start using it, the tandem's are fun to fish from, but take a bit of team work and patience, but then again I'm peddaling not paddling, which makes a huge difference!


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Posted December 04 2010 - 11:36 AM

I have a Wilderness Systems Pamlico135.
I can paddle it solo easily enough. I bought it so the wifey could go. She is a smaller woman, 110-120 lbs, and I am a larger guy, 230-40lbs, and it can hold us fine. I wouldn't surf launch, or take it in the ocean because it is a SIK, but on flat backwaters it does ok. Me and about 150 lbs of person or gear would be the safe max weight, in my experience. With my solo yak, and the tandem, it can make for a fun day on the water for 3 people.
I have heard of tandems referred to divorce boats. If you two can't cooperate and communicate it will be shown after a few hours in the boat. Sound travels well over water.


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#7 Andrew Caffrey

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Posted December 04 2010 - 10:28 PM

i too started out with a tandem, the pamlico barge, on the thought the kids would either go fishing or yakking with me.. it was not the right choice as thr kids never went all that much on the kind of fishng I would want to..and the SIT was not the right boat for boston waters

dunno what yur budget is, but I strongly urge you to be a little selfish and pick the first yak for yourself, and then look around for either a cheap second or cheap tamden.. you'll see them all the time on CL or knockoffs at low prices at the lame chain stores--sports authority--or the super duscounters--up here, its ocean state job lot.



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Posted December 05 2010 - 2:43 AM

Nothing beat a Malibu Two XL by ocean Kayak. That is what I have used for the past 4 years. Sold it this year to go solo for a Trident 15. I got my daughter a new kayak. Here is the scoop:
Excellent initial and Secoundary stability. Excellent room you can take 2 kids and one adult and it is plenty of room. Kids can stand up and you dont have to worry about tiping. Solo is not bad but it is barge slow. It is a good all around family kayak. Check the reviews.



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Posted December 05 2010 - 9:52 AM

Nothing beat a Malibu Two XL by ocean Kayak. That is what I have used for the past 4 years. Sold it this year to go solo for a Trident 15. I got my daughter a new kayak. Here is the scoop:
Excellent initial and Secoundary stability. Excellent room you can take 2 kids and one adult and it is plenty of room. Kids can stand up and you dont have to worry about tiping. Solo is not bad but it is barge slow. It is a good all around family kayak. Check the reviews.

X2 We've had ours for a couple years and it's a great compromise if you don't have the space or money for a bunch of kayaks and have kids.



#10 wifehatesmefishing

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Posted December 05 2010 - 3:06 PM

[quote=bjb;7834210]I originally bought a Hobie Oasis tandem a couple of years ago, rigged it for fishing and use it w/wife and kids when they wanted to go. Planned on using it solo w/some ballast in bow to make up for weight difference when going alone, worked out ok. As I got more into fishing, bought a Hobie Adventure which worked out a lot better, still use the Oasis when the wife wants to go.

Similar story for me. Got the tandem outfitter great alone unless choppy and then it's a bear to control and you take on a fair amount of water from the rudder lines. I then got a used ougtback and love it, loaned that to my bro and now use a Revo. I'll tell you, they all have their place.

If fishing I like pedal over paddle so the Outfitter was a good choice. I won't even sell it, it's stilll fun to take out with a friend or my 3yr old. It's a social way to fish.



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Posted December 06 2010 - 8:43 PM

I have a Pamlico 145 T. I do have some issues when using it by myself...



1. It's tough to get ontop of your car by yourself...then again im only 5'8"



2. I have 3 rod holders installed in mine located in positions that were optimal for two people in the yak.....i have trouble reaching one of them if im by myself.



My advise is to try out every possible rod holder configuration before doing the actual drilling to make sure its in a good place for your personal preference.



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Posted December 12 2010 - 7:54 PM

X2 We've had ours for a couple years and it's a great compromise if you don't have the space or money for a bunch of kayaks and have kids.

X3...I have a single kayak too and use the tandem all the time as a single...i am a big guy 6' 230lbs and this has more than enough room for me