What's the difference? Octopus hooks aren't circle hooks, right? What is your favorite between Octopus and J hooks?
Octopus hooks vs. J hooks?
Posted September 27 2010 - 4:55 PM
The Eagle Claw Lazer Sharp 8/0 Octopus hooks I use sure look like circle hooks to me. I thought it was just another fancy name for a circle hook.
Posted September 27 2010 - 4:59 PM
Shoulda added I use those to target medium size toothy critters with cut bait on a cannonball rig.
Posted September 27 2010 - 5:07 PM
On an octopus hook the eye is bent backwards. You can buy Octopus circle hooks. A circle hook has the point bent inward towards the shank.
Posted September 27 2010 - 5:07 PM
Octopus hooks arent circles. I cant see a benefit in using them either.
Posted September 27 2010 - 7:07 PM
I snell all of my circle hooks, except when using wire. IMO the best method of snelling is described in Neil MacKellows web site. Ran across it a year or so ago, tried it, and been doing it ever since. It's actually very easy and can be accomplished in less than a minute.
Posted September 27 2010 - 8:15 PM
Properly snelled, and there is a difference, the Octopus style (in the old days we called them Eagle Claws, as Eagle Claw made them) has a high hook ratio due to the point of the hook being in direct line with the pull direction of the fishing line.
Octopus or Eagle Claw 92553 is the standard for mooching for big chinook salmon with cut plug herring out here in the Pacific NW. And for Steelhead in the rivers.
I will take a photo or two of the snelled hooks next time I am in the shop (where all the gear is stowed, you NE and Cali guys call it a "Man Cave").
And, way, way back in the dark ages when I fished live shrimp under a float in Coastal Georgia, the Eagle Claw "Claw" or "beak" was a requirement for hooks. It all boils down to better hook ups when using bait.
Circle hooks are great and have their applications, but when threading two hooks (yup, the salmon mooching setup has two hooks snelled on the leader about 2 inches apart) through a plug cut herring, the circle hook don't work!
I would not have any problem using Octopus style hooks fishing bait for any fish, Stripers included. We use them for halibut also, 10/0's. And a lot of guys here use circles for halibut, just boils down to your fishing style, strike detecting ability, and hook setting ability. Typical halibut circles run from 16/0 to 20/0, bigger the better.
Posted September 27 2010 - 11:00 PM
Preference, gear, how you rig and fishing style matters.
This is what I have found over the past few years using octopus and circle hooks. There is nothing wrong with J hooks. People used them since forever and caught fish. I switched to octopus hooks and caught more fish. A lot of that might have been switching to braid, fluoro and lighter rods and reels. But the one thing that I can say after using octopus and circles is that when I went back to J hooks, I dropped more fish after hooking up (but I think I hooked up more with small mouthed fish, like tog and porgies). My guess from what it feels like when dropping a fish on a J hook is that the octopus hook has a wider gap and is still slightly more circular than a J, so the fish has more wiggle room to wiggle and not get off. With circle hooks, sometimes it is a little harder to hook up, but it is nearly impossible to drop the fish once hooked, because its a wide gap hook and the extra bend in the hook that makes it a circle makes it basically impossible for a fish to wiggle off, they just can't bend their bodies enough from side to side to compensate for that extra bend in the hook and get off. From now on, I'll be using wide gap hooks almost exclusively, not necessarily octopus or circles, but definitely wide gaps.
If you do better with J's, use J's. Its all trial and error.
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Posted September 29 2010 - 7:37 PM
These are the ones I use. I never realized octopus referred to the angle of the eye. I snell mine, and soak a lot of bait off the pier. These hooks don't miss many fish at all!
Posted September 30 2010 - 6:34 AM
Each hook differs by manufacturer. You have to look at them side-by-side and test them out to really understand see the differences. Differences include: the twist (or lack of twist) of the hook, the barb size, the thickness, the stiffness (resistance to bending = better hookset), and the strength (how it resists straightening and breaking).
I suggest you consult a sharpie that understands your particular application.