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#1 mnad123

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Posted May 14 2004 - 4:14 PM

I would first like to say "hi!!!!" to everyone on this forum, as you can see this is my first post!

I am seriously contemplating buying a 2 handed fly rod for Striper fishing. Any comments??
I checked out many articles on this very topic and they were very positive!
What do you guys think about 2 handed fly rods? I would be fishing the rod in southern Maine in the mouth of some rivers, along beaches and along rocks/jetties. I am looking for a good all around 8 weight rod. If you guys (and gals) could recommend a good rod, as well as tell me what you think about 2 handed rods that would be awesome as well. Thanks for the input- Mike!

#2 Jim DE

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Posted May 15 2004 - 3:54 AM

First let me say welcome Mike!
You'll get quite a few well intended suggestions when it come to selecting any kind of fly rod be it single handed or two handed. That said I have been very pleased over the past 10 or so years with the two handed rods T&T makes. Their action fit my style of casting/fishing in the salt very well.
I own the 1611, 1510, 1212, and 1208. The last one listed is rated as an 8wt but casts a 10-11wt 35' Airflo shooting head extremely well and is my choice for the type fishing you have mentioned. I would suggest casting this rod before you buy just as you would for any other fly rod purchase.

#3 FishHawk II

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Posted May 19 2004 - 10:36 AM

Saw a CND two handed rod in action on the flats of Monomoy in the wind a very sweet rod. However, their is a learning curve. Saving my money to get one. Hunter's in NH sells them. FishHawk II

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Posted May 19 2004 - 1:48 PM

Double handers open up a whole new arena of possibilities in the salt. Good advice from Jim - definitely "try before you buy" and make sure the guys in the shop know what they are talking about. Have them demo different rods and show you how its done.
If they won't/can't then shop somewhere else!

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Posted May 24 2004 - 9:00 AM

I recently got a CND Atlantis two-handed rod, labelled 11' 1" for 11/12 lines, but seems to work out better with heavier lines. Its designed for overhead casting and does that very well, but is too short and stiff for effective spey casting. I personally don't see much use for spey casting in the salt anyway. In short, its a great rod, I highly recommend it, very well constructed, awesome cork work, top notch hardware. In case anyone is going to take the plunge: a 13 wt WF full length intermediate line loads it just right, while a 35', 12 wt Airflo int shooting head (~470 grains) seems light to me. I'm thinking that a 35', ~520 grain head is where you want to be with this rod. When I (occassionaly) hit the timing right, I can toss the 13 wt line into the backing. One caveat though, it takes a pretty good sized fish to put a serious bend in this rod. The 3-6 lb bluefish I've been catching get stripped in like sunnies on a 4 weight. Am heading to MV in three weeks, hope to hook into some bass that bend it to the cork!

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Posted May 24 2004 - 11:45 AM

CND is finishing up on a prototype 8wt. two hander in the same vein as the 11wt. Atlantis. That might fit the bill perfectly.
Jim, I have the 1208 and I was wondering specificly which lines you like for it?

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Posted May 24 2004 - 7:55 PM

i have used the tomas and thomas 1208 and i agrre with JimDE, its a great rod but like it best with an 11 wt.forward line. i can fling it out a good 80-90 feet and you can really feel it load. it also seems to have sufficient backbone to fight a good sized fish.

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Posted May 25 2004 - 12:46 AM

Eddie, I use an 11wt Airflo 35' intermediste head and Airflo polyshoot shooting line mostly with this stick....the 10wt int 35' head is just a little light in my opinion but the 10wt type 6 line casts well

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Posted May 26 2004 - 8:45 AM

A few comments...
In order to match the Atlantis 111 rating with the range of lines on the market for two-handed rods we went for rating it in the middle 11/12wt. For instance, the Hardy Mach I 10/11 almost overloads the rod while some 13 wt lines (depending on make) match it well. Most full lines in 12wt work great on it but if you go with a spey line you might need to go down as low as 9/10wt.
The grain range and length mentioned above is right in the ballpark, and if you look at line makers specs that can be anything from a 10wt speyline to a 13wt billfish line. The grains/ft method is the only reliable means of matching the line.
A few lines people have really been positive about:
- the Airflo 12wt 35ft shooting heads with a good running line goes like a rocket on this rod
- the Wulff tarpon 12wt intermediate full line is a sweet line for it
- the Hardy short Mach I in 10/11 matches it well for floating applications but the head is quite long (~50ft)
- Any Rio line in the high-end of the scale with grains and head length in the 525-575 over 30-35ft range will cast great
Even at 11ft it will spey cast very nicely using short spey heads like the Mach I. But it's design is not intended for spey casting, CND makes 12 other spey action rods and is about to release several more.
The purpose of this rod is to go where the single hander does not like to go. It's called the "surf-tamer" because it can make casting these huge lines childsplay, throwing big flies over big surf and handling big fish.
If you are targeting schoolies, the trusty 9wt will do fine - but if you want to fish side by side with the pluggers and eelers this is a better tool for the job on the beach.
You can really see the full potential of these rods with shooting heads like the 12wt Airflo 35' DI-7 looped onto the Polyshoot, Rio slickshooter, or miracle braid running lines. You should exceed 120ft with relative ease once you keep things in a straight line during the stroke.
Single handed casters often have a hard time keeping the longer rods in the same plane. Start with a very low energy cast using just the head, keeping the loop very straight in both directions. Then on the last cast, slip about 5 feet of running line into the backcast and use both hands (push/pull) to speed up the stroke a little more on the second half of the forward cast and stop it hard and high. That, with a little practice, should get you 140ft plus from foot to fly.
Another advantage to the shorter length (11ft) is that when the rod is held at the top of the cork it's only about 8 inches longer from grip to tip than your single hander. This is a big advantage when retrieving the fly, setting the hook, etc.