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#1 fishin'fool

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Posted April 28 2010 - 7:14 PM

ok so heres the situation. i have a saltiga surf casting rod and a daiwa x40ha(i know..should of gotten the 30) that i barely use because i haven't had the time to learn a conventional reel. im tired of the bird nesting and the aggravation that comes with it. recently i bought an emcast sport for another spinning setup but thought maybe i can use it with the saltiga. it bugs me that i have this rod that i spent so much money on not being used. obviously the guides are smaller and may affect distance but really, will it be that big of a difference? im more concerned about the direction that these rods are meant to be bent. will i snap the casting rod if i use it like a spinning?


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#2 kingfisherman23

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Posted April 28 2010 - 7:58 PM

Is it one of the red Saltiga Ballistics? If so, the rod is rung with lowriders and is designed to be used with conventional or spinning gear. Go for it.

Evan


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Posted April 28 2010 - 8:07 PM

it is the red saltiga but not a balistic. and what is a lowrider??


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Posted April 28 2010 - 8:17 PM

"Lowrider" refers to a special type of guide that allows you to use the same rod for casting or spinning.

The Saltiga Surf is rung for conventionals. The guide spacing and sizing is wrong for a spinner, so you'll lose out on distance and performance. I doubt you'll snap it, but you're going to get line slap and more wind knots.

I'd recommend putting the Saltiga and the SHA up on the BST and sell it or trade for a spinning rod.

Evan


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Posted April 28 2010 - 9:08 PM

bummer...thanks for your help.


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#6 High Plains Drifter

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Posted April 29 2010 - 10:39 AM

Is it one of the red Saltiga Ballistics? If so, the rod is rung with lowriders and is designed to be used with conventional or spinning gear. Go for it.

Evan


I was recently gifted a Daiwa Ballistic 33. You are correct in that it has Lowriders and the IMPLICATION is it's fine for both spinning and conventional. You are right on but with some "howevers". I want to give some additional input about the Ballistic.

The first Lowrider guide (20mm) is only about 36 inches from the reel stem. This is much closer than the usual prefered distance of @47". This set-up might be fine for conventional but it is less than ideal for spinning esp. in a expensive/high class blank like this. I'd say with this guide set-up it's fine with spinning reels IN A PINCH OR OCCASSIONAL SITUATION! This rod is intended as a high performance long distance thrower and it's not set up to deliver to it's full potential with a spinning reel.

If you want the Ballistic for mainly spinning in a high performace/long distance mode (the intent of this rod)....you are going to have to strip off the guides and do some repositioning. That's what I'm doing with mine (PIA but it's a great blank). - HPD


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Posted April 29 2010 - 11:00 AM

Thanks for that info HPD. Very interesting.

Evan


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Posted May 02 2010 - 12:14 PM

I was recently gifted a Daiwa Ballistic 33. You are correct in that it has Lowriders and the IMPLICATION is it's fine for both spinning and conventional. You are right on but with some "howevers". I want to give some additional input about the Ballistic.

The first Lowrider guide (20mm) is only about 36 inches from the reel stem. This is much closer than the usual prefered distance of @47". This set-up might be fine for conventional but it is less than ideal for spinning esp. in a expensive/high class blank like this. I'd say with this guide set-up it's fine with spinning reels IN A PINCH OR OCCASSIONAL SITUATION! This rod is intended as a high performance long distance thrower and it's not set up to deliver to it's full potential with a spinning reel.

If you want the Ballistic for mainly spinning in a high performace/long distance mode (the intent of this rod)....you are going to have to strip off the guides and do some repositioning. That's what I'm doing with mine (PIA but it's a great blank). - HPD



It is for that very reason (20mm LR gathering guide too close to reel stem) that all my Ballistics have been custom built....with 47-48" the standard distance.....and I use for spinning only. The blank is available in all three versions-33, 35, and 40.


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Posted May 03 2010 - 10:23 AM

It is for that very reason (20mm LR gathering guide too close to reel stem) that all my Ballistics have been custom built....with 47-48" the standard distance.....and I use for spinning only. The blank is available in all three versions-33, 35, and 40.


Right on. Problem is I was GIFTED the rod (factory finished). As Dcast says, if you want a Ballistic for spinning you should get the blank and custom build it. - HPD


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Posted May 05 2010 - 9:43 AM

"The first Lowrider guide (20mm) is only about 36 inches from the reel stem. This is much closer than the usual prefered distance of @47". This set-up might be fine for conventional but it is less than ideal for spinning esp. in a expensive/high class blank like this. I'd say with this guide set-up it's fine with spinning reels IN A PINCH OR OCCASSIONAL SITUATION! This rod is intended as a high performance long distance thrower and it's not set up to deliver to it's full potential with a spinning reel."


Has anyone ever tested to see what the actual difference in distance is? I have used factory rung balistics with spinning reels extensively. I never had any "problem" with them but would be interested in knowing what the actual gain in distance could be by re-doing the guides.


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Posted May 05 2010 - 4:48 PM

Has anyone ever tested to see what the actual difference in distance is? I have used factory rung balistics with spinning reels extensively. I never had any "problem" with them but would be interested in knowing what the actual gain in distance could be by re-doing the guides.

It isn't so much about casting further it is more an issue of line flow issues; primarily blow-by (and yes, even with Lowriders, guide wraps).
Lowriders placed too close to the reel "work" on shorter rods (e.g., St Croix), because those rods just can not generate the line velocities that make such "incorrect" layouts problematic.
Incorrect Lowrider layouts "work" also on longer rods like the factory Ballistic when again, line velocities do not reach the blow-by threshold and/or heavier braids are used.
For argument's sake I would consider problematic line velocities to begin/equate with a cast that would send a 4 or 5 ounce sinker over 550 feet on 20lb braid.


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Posted May 06 2010 - 8:55 AM

I have three factory balistics: a 35, a 40 and a 35 interline. The vast majority of the time I use Tournament Basias on both 35's with 40lb or 55lb samurai braid. I have casted these rods/reels many thousands of times with 5-6 ozs in every type of surf condition. Depending on rig/bait and wind, 500ft can be a routine cast with this gear. I have never had "blow by" and, in fact, I don't even really know what that is. I have a z6000GT on the 40 with 70lb samurai braid and never had any issues with that set-up either.
I don't use shock leader. I can't imagine casting 5 ozs with 20lb braid with these rods. It would snap if you put any kind of muscle into the cast.

I have not measured how far the line intake point on the interline is from the reel stem. I think its further out.

My personal view is that the type of line has a lot more to do with blow-by problems than a few inches difference in the guide placement. The Samurai braid is miles ahead of any other braid.


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#13 High Plains Drifter

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Posted May 07 2010 - 12:35 PM

I have three factory balistics: a 35, a 40 and a 35 interline. The vast majority of the time I use Tournament Basias on both 35's with 40lb or 55lb samurai braid. I have casted these rods/reels many thousands of times with 5-6 ozs in every type of surf condition. Depending on rig/bait and wind, 500ft can be a routine cast with this gear. I have never had "blow by" and, in fact, I don't even really know what that is. I have a z6000GT on the 40 with 70lb samurai braid and never had any issues with that set-up either.
I don't use shock leader. I can't imagine casting 5 ozs with 20lb braid with these rods. It would snap if you put any kind of muscle into the cast.

I have not measured how far the line intake point on the interline is from the reel stem. I think its further out.

My personal view is that the type of line has a lot more to do with blow-by problems than a few inches difference in the guide placement. The Samurai braid is miles ahead of any other braid.


Your Basias and your z6000GT have small diameter spools. It's possible, because they throw a small diameter line coil, that they are affected less by the close placed 20mm lowrider. I get the distinct feedback (sound, tactile, and visual observation) that my larger diameter spools (ie: Daiwa Saltist 6000 and Emblem Pro) are not responding well to the close spacing of the first guide and my cast is being reduced. I'm not having a problem with blowby/guide snaring.

I have quite a few other 13 foot spinning rods set up with @47" collector 20mm lowriders and I DON"T get the same casting loss impressions from them.

The only way to know if there are benefits to a change in the guide layout is to use two identical blanks that are each set up differently. Given that, it would take many casting sessions, many many casts, and an absence of personal bias to give the correct impressions. A few measured casts would not reveal the truth.

I would have to say I don't think there is a magic line that makes other issues go away. - HPD


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Posted May 07 2010 - 1:16 PM

I also have an Aero Technium, which has a spool with a very large diameter. I have only used it on the balisitcs a few times (I use it on a custom CTS). For what it is worth, when using it on the balistic I did not get the feeling that having the first guide a bit closer in was a problem.

As you say, the only way to realy figure this out would be to do a test.


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Posted May 07 2010 - 1:58 PM

As you say, the only way to realy figure this out would be to do a test.


The problem is it's so hard to test things like this. Even the best casters using exactly the same rod and reel cannot hit the same mark from cast to cast, day to day, etc.. There are so many variables involved. It could only come down to "impressions" over a fairly long span of usage. It's pretty unscientific and subjectivity/bias can skew "impressions". I think we all do what eliminates our doubts/makes us feel good and that's OK by me!! - HPD


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