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#1 RegDunlop

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Posted January 05 2010 - 3:01 PM

I am new to tying and fly fihsing. As some here may know I've started tying and have been using size mustad 3407 1/0 hooks. I had a thought today that the 1/0 hooks I've been using are waaay too small for stripers. I would never use such a small hook on a plug and definetely not with bait.

I plan on targeting stripers with my new flies so should I up the s size?

I'm worried that my casting may not be good enough to throw much larger flies.
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Posted January 05 2010 - 3:22 PM

That size hook is fine for stripers.I use a 2 to 2/0 for the majority of my flies.A 1/0 is just about perfect IMHO.You just dont need huge hooks for stripers.The only large hook I use is a 4/0 34011 for big bangers.

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Posted January 05 2010 - 4:21 PM

Ive caught lots of nice fish up to ~32" on 2s and even 4s, though 1/0 mustad size is probably my most used fly hook size.
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Posted January 05 2010 - 4:38 PM

I've tied (and caught stripers) on everything from 3/0 to size 12.
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Posted January 05 2010 - 5:08 PM

4 is the smallest I've tied and caught on. I do have to say most ( 85%) of my stuff is on 1-1/0 but have also gone to 4/0 as well.
It depends on the pattern, you would no more tie a juvenile sand eel on a 4/0 than you would a 12 inch bunker on a size 2. Any patterns that you decide to tie will have suggested hook sizes. To be honest I've had more success with smaller flies than the large ones. But that's just myself.

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Posted January 05 2010 - 6:13 PM

ive slightly a different mindset then most of the previous post i like big flys most of the time for stripers, the smallest hook i used for stripers is 1/0 most being 3/0 -5/0 only smaller flys is if tossing on a flat with sand eels, fall peanuts, and early season schoolies where i would be tossing a clouser, rest of the time big flatwing fir feather and such where big baits are present

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Posted January 11 2010 - 6:10 AM

In my experience 1/0 is great for stripers.

Some folks say that for huge stripers, you need a big hook so the the lip of the striper fits inside the hook's bend. Unfortunately I don't catch giant stripers but I wonder if this is true.

I tied a bunch of big flies with a lot of hackles on 4/0 short shank hooks a few winters ago. They were all basically useless flies because they were too heavy to cast on my 8wt. They were too heavy because of the hook size and all the feathers. Maybe ray's flies on the 4/0 would be ok.

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Posted January 11 2010 - 8:59 AM

First of all, unfortunately now-a-days, "hook size nomenclature" means absolutely nothing.
Even the same manufacturer - especially Gamakatsu - given a hook size , say a #6, will be drastically different depending on which hook style you are using to tie a fly.

I tie my light-weight clousers on a #4 Gamakatsu SL11-3H. A very strong hook - great. Yet when I tie a (hook down) streamer with a Gamakatsu # SC15, another great hook, I cannot go below a #1/0.

See below - the top hook is the #4 - great clouser hook.
Middle #1 - too small
Bottom #1/0 - min size for me
So it is not enough to talk hook size - you need manufacturer and model #
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Posted January 11 2010 - 9:31 AM

Make sure after you tied your fly you can easily slide your thumb in and out of the hook gap. Normally takes a 3/0 or up. I use the sl12-2h 6/0 and the sc15-2h 5/0. I wouldn't recommend the sl12 for shore fishing because if you hit something on you back cast the hook point will be bent.
You can get away with fishing small hooks I know some guides who catch a good amount of 30 lb fish on small bonefish flies (sizes 1-6). But the hook up to catch ratio is much smaller than using big hooks.

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Posted January 11 2010 - 1:24 PM

Respectfully, that has not been my experience. I fish a lot of #4-#10 sparse shrimp, isopod, and sand eel patterns. All things being equal (sharp hooks and close contact with my flies) I have never noticed a lower hookset ratio with the smaller hooks. :-)
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Posted January 11 2010 - 1:42 PM

small hooks are fine when fishing for smaller fish and when fthe fly is a small bait patern, but its dam near impossible to tie a 12'' bunker patern on a 1/0 hook and that why 3/0-6/0 hooks have there place

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Posted January 11 2010 - 2:24 PM

I have noticed that on fish around 28"-30" I will get some bendage on my Eagle Claw 254s, occasionally, not as a rule.

I've caught a lot of fish on short shanked #6s but none over 28".

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Posted January 11 2010 - 2:24 PM

Yes! We are in violent agreement. :-)

In fact, I will now upsize my hooks in some cases from an experience I had this past summer. Fishing 4.5" skinny, sparse sand eels on a 1/0 hook. We ran into some bigger fish that were bending and twisting the 1/0s. so this winter I retied a stash of them on both 1/0 and 3/0. Same size fly, just a bigger stronger hook in case the big girls come through.

btw, a lot of the #6 through #10 hooks I use are Atlantic Salmon hooks that are rated for a 50# fish.
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Posted January 11 2010 - 2:42 PM

The 1/0 will be fine for SB. Most of the rest of species around the EAST too. The hook should be strong, not so much how big it is. If you target BIG stripers, sometimes you are better off with larger hooks to clear the lip thickness which is much larger than smaller bass. The entire mouth is bigger too. For the big girls, if I was only looking after BIG bass, I am using larger hooks and flies with lots of hook gape too.


When making your flies, if the hook shank has enough room for your imitation, then you're good! If your pattern starts getting cramped, a larger size hook will help. Also, it will better keel the heavily dressed flies.


As size alone, 1/0 id fine 90% of the time but be sure you buy strong ones.


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Posted January 11 2010 - 3:13 PM


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The 1/0 will be fine for SB. Most of the rest of species around the EAST too. The hook should be strong, not so much how big it is. If you target BIG stripers, sometimes you are better off with larger hooks to clear the lip thickness which is much larger than smaller bass. The entire mouth is bigger too. For the big girls, if I was only looking after BIG bass, I am using larger hooks and flies with lots of hook gape too.
When making your flies, if the hook shank has enough room for your imitation, then you're good! If your pattern starts getting cramped, a larger size hook will help. Also, it will better keel the heavily dressed flies.
As size alone, 1/0 id fine 90% of the time but be sure you buy strong ones.
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Thanks BobPop, great to get free advice from a legend. Yet another reason SOL rules. I'll be buying your book soon as I would like to tie PopFleyes style flies. BobPop do you still use epoxy or one of the newer materials?

I am using Mustad 34007 and ec 254 hooks right now as they are less expensive, and I am still learning and half the flies I tie right now go in the round file.

3 questions:

1) are mustad and EC hooks considered strong fly hooks, because to my untrained flyfishing eye, I would never use them on a plug or with bait, for that fishing I only use VMCs and Gamakatsu

2) anybody know the difference between EC L253 and EC 254 SS hooks?

3) If I get good enough at tying, I would like to tie some patterns up for fishing and to my untrained eye, these mustads and EC are not going to cut it. In my opinion, when fishing there is nothing worse than losing a fish due to a factor I have under my control - i.e., hook quality, knot strength/proper knot, too tight/loose drag old, old bait, etc etc. I will probably go to Gamakatsu just from my past good experiences with that brand.
Question: what is the Gami equivalent for a 1/0 34007 and for a EC 254ss and also a 34011?
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