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#1 bill22

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Posted November 30 2009 - 5:24 PM

any help with the numbers and letters? i got a 113 i was gonna use for wire line, but am curious about the 113h? i see all kinds on the e bay site and not sure of all the differences. i was wondering on the gear ratio on the 113?


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#2 lichum

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Posted November 30 2009 - 5:27 PM

any help with the numbers and letters? i got a 113 i was gonna use for wire line, but am curious about the 113h? i see all kinds on the e bay site and not sure of all the differences. i was wondering on the gear ratio on the 113?


One (or more?) of the Penn Senators can be had with aluminum side plates.



EDIT: Metal Senators are no longer made.


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#3 fishinthedark

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Posted November 30 2009 - 5:53 PM

It is the gear ratio, the black 113 or a guess 113L is 2:1 The red 113H is a blazing 3.3:1


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Posted November 30 2009 - 5:55 PM

or the 113 HSP has a chrome over bronze spool (with the higher gear ratio).



I think there is another "wide" version seneter for more line capacity, but don't recall the designation.


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#5 fishinthedark

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Posted November 30 2009 - 5:59 PM

or the 113 HSP has a chrome over bronze spool (with the higher gear ratio).

I think there is another "wide" version seneter for more line capacity, but don't recall the designation.


QAR,

I got my numbers from Penn's site but I could swear there was a 3.7:1 or a 4:1 version without doing a newell kit.

Anybody


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#6 Surfmaster250

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Posted November 30 2009 - 6:04 PM

113 black 2:1 475/30, 113H red 3.25-1 475yd/30, 113HSP Red 3.25-1 575yd/30 wire line, 113HLW wide spool Red 3.25-1 600/30 113HLH 3.31 475/30 . Also 113HN Baja Special (6 bearing) 4.3-1 375/30 If you can find one new or used try for one made in USA the new off shore made ones aren't as nice!


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#7 jonnyringo

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Posted November 30 2009 - 7:09 PM

113 black 2:1 475/30, 113H red 3.25-1 475yd/30, 113HSP Red 3.25-1 575yd/30 wire line, 113HLW wide spool Red 3.25-1 600/30 113HLH 3.31 475/30 . Also 113HN Baja Special (6 bearing) 4.3-1 375/30 If you can find one new or used try for one made in USA the new off shore made ones aren't as nice!


The Penn website lists the 113H2 a little differently. The 113H and H2 are basically the same reel. In fact, I thought the specs. were identical until I read your post. The only difference is the 113H is made in the USA and the 113H2 is made in China. I got lucky and found a brand new 113H. I also have a Peer 209 that is like new old stock and a made in China 330 GT2 (not bad quality at all but I prefer made in the USA stuff).
I know where new 113H (made in USA) can still be had for around $98.00 plus shipping. The gentleman owns a tackle shop in Florida and he has a bout a half dozen left.
PM me if you want his link.

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#8 Tunanorth

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Posted November 30 2009 - 9:08 PM

The Senator 113HN "Baja Special" is the "narrow" 4/0 size, 1 piece aluminum topless frame, aluminum spool, 4.25 to 1 gear ratio, much larger drags than 113H, much larger gears than 113H, disengaging pinion gear [like 525MAG], has been re-instated to the line and will appear back in the 2011 catalogue, and will continue to be made in USA.


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#9 midwestexile

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Posted December 01 2009 - 1:47 AM

It was my understanding that the metal senator was to be part of an updated line rather than a replacement, but that only the 4/0 actually got to market and is now an orphan. There were certainly enough aftermarket efforts to upgrade the frame and drag, plus to a lesser extent the spool, of many Penn reels.


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Posted December 01 2009 - 3:49 AM

The Penn website lists the 113H2 a little differently. The 113H and H2 are basically the same reel. In fact, I thought the specs. were identical until I read your post. The only difference is the 113H is made in the USA and the 113H2 is made in China. I got lucky and found a brand new 113H. I also have a Peer 209 that is like new old stock and a made in China 330 GT2 (not bad quality at all but I prefer made in the USA stuff).

I know where new 113H (made in USA) can still be had for around $98.00 plus shipping. The gentleman owns a tackle shop in Florida and he has a bout a half dozen left.

PM me if you want his link.



ringo



please pm me with the tackle shop in florida that has the 113h left.

thanks flasaltangler


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#11 WalkinTheDog

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Posted December 01 2009 - 7:16 PM

I think the made in the usa senators will be available for quite a long time, they seem to be all over the place. The baja special is a great reel from what i have heard.


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#12 lichum

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Posted December 01 2009 - 7:36 PM

I think the made in the usa senators will be available for quite a long time, they seem to be all over the place. The baja special is a great reel from what i have heard.


From Tunanorth:

113hn
No doubt the best Senator is the 113HN Baja Special.
Upgraded gears, drag, frame, everything, and with the use of superbraid line, it's 4/0 narrow size can still hold over 500 yards of 80-pound test if need be, and made in USA.
It was briefly dropped from the Penn lineup last year, but was re-instated in mid 2009.
The metal Senators were discontinued in late 2008, with no plans to re-instate them.
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#13 jonnyringo

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Posted December 01 2009 - 9:08 PM

please pm me with the tackle shop in florida that has the 113h left.
thanks flasaltangler


You don't have the PM function available that I can see nor do you accept email. Let me know when you enable the PM function and I will gladly send you a link. The made in USA Penn 113H are still available but once gone all that will be able to buy will be made in China 113H2 models.
The Baja is a nice reel but around $250.00.


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Posted December 02 2009 - 12:58 AM

Thanks For The Reply Didn't Realize I Had Block On Email.you Can Email Me Now Block Is Off.flasaltangler


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#15 Ray Yee

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Posted December 02 2009 - 1:18 AM

out here in cali when we wireline its preferred to use the steel spool vs aluminum due to corrosion and wear n tear


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