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#1 TheAmagansettCaster

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Posted October 09 2009 - 10:06 AM

For the first time in my 33 years of living on/off on the east end I witnessed gill netters on my beach.. I watched them haul about 60 stripers, 10 bluefish, 4 falsies.. I gave them a little grief cause I honestly don't agree with it..
Their size limit starts at 24" while ours is 28"??
They explained to me that the real big fish bounce off and the little ones get through.
I know everyone has to make a living but this is a slaughter and will definitely put a dent in the population... I eat fish at restaurants so I know its a little hypocritcal of me to disagree with these methods.. But I can seem to think in the long run this will seriously put a dent in the striper population..
I don't want to raise a stink storm but what do people think?
Is there somewhere I can sign a petition or something??



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Posted October 09 2009 - 10:11 AM

For the first time in my 33 years of living on/off on the east end I witnessed gill netters on my beach.. I watched them haul about 60 stripers, 10 bluefish, 4 falsies.. I gave them a little grief cause I honestly don't agree with it..
Their size limit starts at 24" while ours is 28"??
They explained to me that the real big fish bounce off and the little ones get through.
I know everyone has to make a living but this is a slaughter and will definitely put a dent in the population... I eat fish at restaurants so I know its a little hypocritcal of me to disagree with these methods.. But I can seem to think in the long run this will seriously put a dent in the striper population..
I don't want to raise a stink storm but what do people think?
Is there somewhere I can sign a petition or something??

never thought of secondary ways that we support such action,
eating at restaurants, buying seafood in general,
will consider my choices that much more carefully.



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Posted October 09 2009 - 10:46 AM

I don't want to raise a stink storm but what do people think?
Is there somewhere I can sign a petition or something??

If the guy is doing what is allowed then more power to himmakeing a living off the sea my hats off. People trying to kill his livelyhood because they just disagree well I don't care for people like that they seam like sneakin back stabbing types. Eat what you kill or buy what someone else killed. You asked thats MHO


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Posted October 09 2009 - 10:47 AM

I was fishing the north side of M a couple of years ago and witnessed the gill netters round up and entire bass blitz while surf angers were throwing plugs to the fish - there were no fish after the netters left


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Posted October 09 2009 - 10:49 AM

Check out the threads in the NJ forum on this topic. It ain't pretty.


Just b/c you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD....
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Posted October 09 2009 - 10:57 AM

when you realize rec fishermen for striped bass are responsible for over 70% of the harvest and mortality/discards then youll see the this gillnetter really doesnt put that much of a dent on the striped bass population. We are under the misconception that the comms are the ones wiping out the bass when in reality its us Recs. It is impossible for one rec to kill as much as one gill netter, but for each gillnetter, there are tens of thousands of recs.
One fish at a time, adds up quickly when MILLIONS of trips are taken per year by recreational anglers.



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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:04 AM

If the guy is doing what is allowed then more power to himmakeing a living off the sea my hats off. People trying to kill his livelyhood because they just disagree well I don't care for people like that they seam like sneakin back stabbing types. Eat what you kill or buy what someone else killed. You asked thats MHO

Just because its legal,
Doesnt make it right.
no one is trying to kill his livelihood,
all have a respect for fishermen, commercial and recreational
but it appears he makes his livelihood at the expense of others,



#8 Mike Oliver

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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:06 AM

If the guy is doing what is allowed then more power to himmakeing a living off the sea my hats off. People trying to kill his livelyhood because they just disagree well I don't care for people like that they seam like sneakin back stabbing types. Eat what you kill or buy what someone else killed. You asked thats MHO



Finny just beacause a man makes his living from commercial sea fishing activety does not mean it's ok even if state laws allow it. What about the stock which should come first in any management plan and don't forget that many many othes depend on a healthy Striper stock for a living. To mention just a few. Tackle Shops. Tackle makers, Clothing makers. Motels resteraunts, Air lines. The value of a Striped bass caught by the Recreatiopnal sector is very much higher and has more added value to your economy than Commercial fishing ever will. The Comms have had it their way for far too long globally and not just in the USA.

We allow wholesale commercial fishing for our Bass and guess what result is a decimated fishery and the averge size of fish is about 1.5lbs. In such a situation can I have any sympathy for the old man of the sea Commecial Guy. In a word no. It is not the Recs who have wrecked our UK fishery. It is the averice of the Comms and a weak Govermnet who always exceed to the Comms demands.

Just my thoughts.

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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:10 AM



Finny just beacause a man makes his living from commercial sea fishing activety does not mean it's ok even if state laws allow it. What about the stock which should come first in any management plan and don't forget that many many othes depend on a healthy Striper stock for a living. To mention just a few. Tackle Shops. Tackle makers, Clothing makers. Motels resteraunts, Air lines. The value of a Striped bass caught by the Recreatiopnal sector is very much higher and has more added value to your economy than Commercial fishing ever will. The Comms have had it their way for far too long globally and not just in the USA.

We allow wholesale commercial fishing for our Bass and guess what result is a decimated fishery and the averge size of fish is about 1.5lbs. In such a situation can I have any sympathy for the old man of the sea Commecial Guy. In a word no. It is not the Recs who have wrecked our UK fishery. It is the averice of the Comms and a weak Govermnet who always exceed to the Comms demands.

Just my thoughts.

Mike



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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:22 AM

Finny just beacause a man makes his living from commercial sea fishing activety does not mean it's ok even if state laws allow it. What about the stock which should come first in any management plan and don't forget that many many othes depend on a healthy Striper stock for a living. To mention just a few. Tackle Shops. Tackle makers, Clothing makers. Motels resteraunts, Air lines. The value of a Striped bass caught by the Recreatiopnal sector is very much higher and has more added value to your economy than Commercial fishing ever will. The Comms have had it their way for far too long globally and not just in the USA.

We allow wholesale commercial fishing for our Bass and guess what result is a decimated fishery and the averge size of fish is about 1.5lbs. In such a situation can I have any sympathy for the old man of the sea Commecial Guy. In a word no. It is not the Recs who have wrecked our UK fishery. It is the averice of the Comms and a weak Govermnet who always exceed to the Comms demands.

Just my thoughts.

Mike


Mike I tip my hat to you also


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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:48 AM

when you realize rec fishermen for striped bass are responsible for over 70% of the harvest and mortality/discards then youll see the this gillnetter really doesnt put that much of a dent on the striped bass population. We are under the misconception that the comms are the ones wiping out the bass when in reality its us Recs. It is impossible for one rec to kill as much as one gill netter, but for each gillnetter, there are tens of thousands of recs.
One fish at a time, adds up quickly when MILLIONS of trips are taken per year by recreational anglers.


I would love to see how that 70% is calculated....

I saw a gillnetter Sunday night/Monday Morning no more then 300 yards off the North Side of M. Its absurd that they can be in that proximity to a State Park.

Lets bring back 36" minimums so our children can experience the joy we do.


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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:56 AM

when you realize rec fishermen for striped bass are responsible for over 70% of the harvest and mortality/discards then youll see the this gillnetter really doesnt put that much of a dent on the striped bass population. We are under the misconception that the comms are the ones wiping out the bass when in reality its us Recs. It is impossible for one rec to kill as much as one gill netter, but for each gillnetter, there are tens of thousands of recs.
One fish at a time, adds up quickly when MILLIONS of trips are taken per year by recreational anglers.

Please show me the data that proves this so called 70%.



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Posted October 09 2009 - 11:57 AM

I would love to see how that 70% is calculated....

I saw a gillnetter Sunday night/Monday Morning no more then 300 yards off the North Side of M. Its absurd that they can be in that proximity to a State Park.

Lets bring back 36" minimums so our children can experience the joy we do.

As theres no reporting of fish Harvested,
could it be licenses sold and limits?
would be inflated #'s with all the catch and release, and all those with licenses that just dont fish enough to catch anything.



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Posted October 09 2009 - 12:05 PM

Ammagansett: WOW, you own the beach? What you witnessed is an individual accessing his portion of the a public resource. He is well within his rights to do so, commercial fishermen have 30% of the bass, while the rec. sector has the remainder. In actuality, the recs take more than that, we are allowed 1 bass a day between 28 and 40" and one over 40". The for hire patrons can take 2 per day over 28". Thare are MILLIONS of trips taken per year that result in MILLIONS of dead bass at the hands of "sport" fishermen playing at their hobby. The commercial guys are feeding the country and providing the non-fishing portion of the population with their piece of the resource. While admittedly gill nets are not a 100% clean fishery, the mesh size that the fisherman told you about does what he said, most of the large can't fit their head into the smaller mesh ao they do bounce off, conversely, the rats are able to swim through, resulting in a catch of slot sized bass.
That's the way it works.


IN FAVOR OF COMMERCIAL FISHING AND SURFING THE NORTH SIDE

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Posted October 09 2009 - 12:05 PM

Please show me the data that proves this so called 70%.

http://www.nefsc.noa...ns/crd/crd0803/
NY has a com quota. So when that quota is reached the fishery is shut down. also each fish has to have tags on it documenting the fisherman and where it was caught. only a certain number of tags are given to fishermen per year. and the retailer has to mail those tags back to the state (I think) So the fish are always tracked.