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#1 The Fisherman

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Posted August 02 2009 - 10:24 PM

My approach to fly tying for stripers is to match the profile of the bait, and most importantly, to make the fly look alive when it is in the water, even if it is just drifting along in the current. I also like to use natural materials whenever possible.

This grass shrimp pattern is a good example.

We were casting to stripers holding in a current, feeding on 1.5" grass shrimp at the surface. I had tried GPs and GP variants to no avail. This sent me back to the tying board. I wanted the fly to stay near the surface as that's where the fish were feeding. I wanted the fly to have the transparancy that I believe the naturals had. I kept whittling down the GP until I was left with this:



Hook: Atlantic Salmon #8
Thread: Grey
Antenna: Sparse grey BT taken from the tip
Eyes: Golden Pheasant tippet
Body: Dun wet fly hackle, palmered

I had success with this fly the first night I tried it. :-)


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#2 c4charlie

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Posted August 03 2009 - 1:57 AM

Very nice. Those are some of the most frustrating nights when all they want is grass shrimp. Once I learn how to fly fish, I will be looking for your invention!
Keep up the good work!



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Posted August 03 2009 - 4:29 PM

RE: Those are some of the most frustrating nights when all they want is grass shrimp
I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to the next one. I love "trout fishing for stripers." :-)
I thank you also for the kind words. I know patterns like this don't appeal to the masses, but they sure do help when you're trying to catch the fish that not everyone can catch. ;-)


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Posted August 03 2009 - 7:32 PM

RE: Those are some of the most frustrating nights when all they want is grass shrimp

I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to the next one. I love "trout fishing for stripers." :-)



I thank you also for the kind words. I know patterns like this don't appeal to the masses, but they sure do help when you're trying to catch the fish that not everyone can catch. ;-)



Isn't that what really matters? I've seen some amazing ties out there that look great to me but if the fish aren't interested then the prettiest fly in the box is worthless at that point in time. If the fish like it then it is a good tie in my book, even if it isn't all that interesting to look at from a human perspective.



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Posted August 04 2009 - 12:07 AM

Isn't that what really matters? I've seen some amazing ties out there that look great to me but if the fish aren't interested then the prettiest fly in the box is worthless at that point in time. If the fish like it then it is a good tie in my book, even if it isn't all that interesting to look at from a human perspective.

It is totaly true rplace! that why I do my flies with a touch of realism, but at the same time with materials that have very much movement in the water, the movment is the most important thing in fly fishing.....I might say that this fly is even better than the mine because in the water is other thing, for such a reason it is that I do my flies thinking in fish not in humans hehe!....

Nice work Fisherman!!!



#6 MGustav

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Posted August 04 2009 - 3:34 AM

As real as that may look it is about 3 times bigger than the shrimp the stripers are most often on, the body being no longer than the width of a finger and the antennae almost as long as the body:







You can never have enough movement when the water is pulling the fly at 2 or 3 knots. I think Fisherman's fly looks almost right. The antennae could be longer and sparser. More movement with less bucktail.



Here's another picture I took. You can see how long and thin the antennae are. The second antenna is bent back and behind its tail:





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Posted August 04 2009 - 4:17 AM

This it is your shrimp OK! it is not the same place and I am not speaking of same fish!!! you go fishing for striper...I go fishing for Tarpon,snook and bonefish! and look the shrimp that exists here....There are many species of shrimp Mr. Smart...! http://www-bioc.rice....ces/invert.htm



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Posted August 04 2009 - 8:22 AM

Hi Mark,

I think the antenna could be a tad longer, too. And the palmered body even sparser. This is the actual fly I fished that night, and it is absolutley a work in progress. The stripers told me I was headed in the right direction.

Thanks for the kind words, everyone. :-)


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#9 MGustav

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Posted August 04 2009 - 9:39 AM

javicruzito: I understand your shrimp is bigger but this is STRIPERS on line from NE and the thread started about grass shrimp on #8 hooks.



Fisherman: If the fly works, that's what matters. I just wanted to show how delicate a grass shrimp is and that movement and sparseness are related and key. I think different flies work and don't work in different places for the same bait/predator equation. Light conditions, bottom make up, water quality, temps...all contribute. It took years for me to come up with some flies that finally were consistent producers during shrimp movements. I kept at it. I tried everything out there and came up with some flies. They may not work one day because certain conditions will change drastically so then I will need to adapt. I fish the back of an estuary that empties into a bay. The water is between 2 and 6 feet deep. The bottom is muddy sand with mussel beds and no rocks. The water can be crystal clear or stained and the current can crawl or haul.



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#10 javicruzito

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Posted August 04 2009 - 10:23 AM

Hey Mr.smart...! The Grass Shrimp grows very big Too... I am not talking about his size I am talkin the way he tie his fly Mr...... and yes I know this is Stripes page but this is a Flytying Forum It is possible to put any type of fly here because the stripers they eat any thing that passes, it is not like a bonefish,permit or snook! ..... Look Like You Know A Lot Of Fly Tying! Yeah Right!!! Hehe! Take Care Mr.Mgustav.



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Posted August 04 2009 - 11:27 AM

Hey Mr.smart...! The Grass Shrimp grows very big Too... I am not talking about his size I am talkin the way he tie his fly Mr...... and yes I know this is Stripes page but this is a Flytying Forum It is possible to put any type of fly here because the stripers they eat any thing that passes, it is not like a bonefish,permit or snook! ..... Look Like You Know A Lot Of Fly Tying! Yeah Right!!! Hehe! Take Care Mr.Mgustav.


Well it looks like we're in the company of someone who knows it all, just to let you know the grass shrimp that are native to the northwest atlantic coast average an inch to an inch and a half, so the size of the flies shown by the fisherman and Mgustav are what we use here, we are not fishing in puerto rico. Also your statement that stripers eat anything that passes shows you have never fished for stripers,I suggest you stick to what you know.



#12 javicruzito

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Posted August 04 2009 - 12:23 PM

Well it looks like we're in the company of someone who knows it all, just to let you know the grass shrimp that are native to the northwest atlantic coast average an inch to an inch and a half, so the size of the flies shown by the fisherman and Mgustav are what we use here, we are not fishing in puerto rico. Also your statement that stripers eat anything that passes shows you have never fished for stripers,I suggest you stick to what you know.

Damn another Smart...! When I speaks for the first time of his fly I refer to his construction, this a fly tying forum.... for God sake! You are very sensitive hahaha! and I put my fly for example, NOT TO COMPARE!!! Hahaha about if I caught a stripers haha! I live 1 and a half year in Massachusetts and I caught many of them and a few False Albacore...... and other thing I don't change tropicals fish for these fish of cold waters, but the stripes he gives tremendous fights...... But I remain with the Tarpon hehe!



#13 MGustav

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Posted August 04 2009 - 12:29 PM

What???



#14 javicruzito

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Posted August 04 2009 - 1:00 PM

What???

Hahahaha Yeah! What....ujummm!!! Hey Mr.Gustav show me your flies post here and then you speak hehe! take care my friend!



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Posted August 04 2009 - 1:06 PM