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#1 STUART M. ALPART

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Posted January 05 2005 - 09:28 PM

WOULD SOME PLEASE PUT UP A DIAGRAM OF A "JOE MILLER KNOT".

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Posted January 06 2005 - 09:26 PM

Stuart, is this the one?




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Posted January 07 2005 - 12:15 AM

That's a Miller's knot, so named because it was used by millers to tie flour and grist bags shut.

Being somewhat a knot freak I looked around for the Joe Miller knot. It's a terminal knot that seems to be very highly regarded. The buzz seemed to be it is much stronger than a palomar. I found a written description of how to tie it but no diagram. The written instructions were not very clear.

BTW I've been testing a lot of braid-mono knots. The J knot is the strongest with Alberto's second. I don't think I'll switch because the J is bulky and hard to tighten. If anybody wants to try it its on the Stren site. If you use it with braid you do have to put in the extra pass as described in the directions.
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Posted January 07 2005 - 12:24 AM

I may be picturing this thing wrong, but in that knot it seems that there would be only one line going through the eye of the hook.
How could that be stronger than a Palomar ??

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Posted January 07 2005 - 08:16 AM

Looks like a figure 8 knot
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#6 Bill Klein

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Posted January 07 2005 - 09:45 AM


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Originally posted by Sudsy:
I may be picturing this thing wrong, but in that knot it seems that there would be only one line going through the eye of the hook.
How could that be stronger than a Palomar ??



Not the same. The one Plug refers to as stronger than a Palomar is the Joe Miller knot which he could not find a diagram of; the one pictured is a miller's knot.
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Posted January 07 2005 - 10:23 AM

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It is a figure 8 knot. When the miller would tie it he would pass both loops around the neck of the sack and cinch it down. It would never slip but the farmer could grab a tag end, give a tug in the right direction and the knot would unroll easily.

On the farm we saved much of our grain for seed. The fellow who used to clean it would bag it and tie the miller's knot. I've probably untied a million of them. It's a good knot to know.
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Posted January 07 2005 - 10:30 AM

Here's the instructions I found. Maybe somebody will rocognize it and provide a diagram. Or maybe somebody can figure out these instructions and draw one up. I'm curious to know this knot.

It took me a while to figure out how to tie this knot even with help from Rodney on the Qualifier 105. So I don't know if you will be able to understand my description but here it goes. Also since the knot starts like the Trilene knot, it will be easier to understand if you know this knot or can look at a description on how to tie it. They are available in most knot books or web sites.

Step 1. You put the line through the eye of the hook twice. You wrap the tag end around the main line going away from the hook only one and a half times. Like the Trilene knot, you then put the tag end through the loop made by going back to the hook and under the line that is wrapped around the hook's eye.

As in the Trilene knot, be careful not to let the two lines through the eye cross else the crossing wrap will cut into the other wrap.

2. For me, this was the hard part. So far, you have a loose Trilene knot with only one and a half turns. You now take the loop (that was formed from the top of the wrap to the part of the tag end that goes the loop described above) and turn if approximately one and a half turn in a direction opposite the original wraps from step one were made. Use you finger at the top of this loop as you perform this step because you must put the tag end through this loop.

3. Now you put the tag end through the loop at the farthest point from the hook. This is tricky. The line can go through this loop from two directions. You chose the direction so that the line comes out of the loop the same as the main line goes into this loop. These should line up when the loop is turned about one and a half turns as described in step 2.

Now you're ready to tighten the knot. If it was made correctly, there will be a figure eight forming above the two wraps that go around the hook's eye and the tag end comes out of the figure eight next to and main line going into the figure eight towards the hook.

4. To tighten, pull both line at the same time away from the hook but let the tag end slip through you fingers so the figure eight can tighten. Once the figure eight is tight against the hook, pull on both lines to tighten the knot.

If the tag end went through the final loop correctly, then it will be adjacent the main line like the Palomar knot. If the tag end went through the final loop incorrectly, the tag end will stick out 90 degrees or more from the main line.

5. Once you're sure the knot has been tied correctly, cut the tag end.

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Posted January 07 2005 - 11:13 AM

Ouch That gave me a headache just trying to picture it

Luckily, for me, knot failure at my snap or hook is about the last thing I've had fail on me in years. I guess using the heaviest fluoro leader I feel comfortable with has some benefits - I don't need 100% knot stregth to my hook or snap bad enough to change to a knot that sounds like it would take three hands and a prayer to tie with wet hands on a jetty in the dark

It would be an interesting one to try...just for the sake of trying something new. I'm guessing it's better tied on leaders 50# or less? Sounds like a lot of twisting for lines heavier than that

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Posted January 07 2005 - 12:55 PM

I think this is what Plug's description says...



... at least, that's how it seems to me.

Since I don't have anything fancy to draw with, I changed the tag line color from black to blue to green, so you can better visualize where it crosses over, etc.

Seem correct?