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#1 kentnarrows

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Posted May 07 2005 - 7:06 AM

I twisted my elbow last November during a tussle with an AI rockfish. I thought it would be a temporary thing, but....it's been dogging me to varous degrees ever since. When I squeeze my fist, I can feel pain right at the elbow joint, and the joint is very sensitive to being bumped at the wrong angle.
Has anybody ever bunged up an elbow like this? I'll try folk remedies, faith healers and tribal shamans first....I know I should see a doctor, but I really can't stand running the gauntlet of our current Medical/Insurance Complex.



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Posted May 07 2005 - 7:50 AM

You have tendonitis, or what's sometimes called tennis elbow. There isn't much a doctor could do except give you cortisone shots. I had it for over a year---I got it from turning my wrist over when I cast a spinning rod. I saw a chiropractor too, who used ultrasound, and if anything, it felt worse after a treatment. Wear a good elbow brace when you fish, ice it afterwards, or rest it until it fully heals. Only things you can do.
This is also why my 11' spinning rods have all been either retired or sold


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Posted May 07 2005 - 8:17 AM

Like the Ditch posted rest is the one cure and that means no further stress on the joint.
Wearing a elbow brace will help, but will not cure the problem.
If you change your casting side to the oppisite side from the side you hurt, can help to decrease the pain and allow some healing to go on.
If you are using a spinning rod, learn how to cast a conventional from the oppisite side can also reduce the pain and swelling from your injured elbow
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Posted May 07 2005 - 8:39 AM

i get the same thing.sometimes shaking hands can be very painfull.My budd informed me of some excersises to stretch an strengthen an it has worked some.


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Posted May 07 2005 - 8:52 AM

got vicodin?



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Posted May 07 2005 - 9:07 AM

I developed the same problem from playing too much softball, matter of fact it was exactly as you described.
I realize this sounds like hoodoo stuff but my father gave me an old copper bracelet and damn if it didn't help. You could tell when the elbow was acting up when my wrist would turn green.
No doctors no exercises - after 2 years of playing through pain I put on the stupid bracelet and it got better in a few weeks, go figure.


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Posted May 07 2005 - 9:17 AM

had same type of problems before a bit - doctor gave me some exerises to do - minor stuff. take five minutes. use a face cloth, hold your arms straight out, holding the twisted towel palms down. twist up and down 50 - 100 reps, then bend elbows to side, keep forearms straight, and do little curls with the towel. also, hold arms out straight with towel stretched and try to pull it apart, just enough to engage muscles. that and a little "joint flex" rub (like Ben Gay) on the elbows helps a lot. resting joints over the winter helps too. it works.


 

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Posted May 07 2005 - 9:28 AM

I think that I have developed Surfcasters Shoulder.After years of bad casts my shoulder is now tender and seems weak all the time now.Not sure if its the same as an elbow but my doctor told me that its arthritus (sp?) setting in.....

I dont like it at all



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Posted May 07 2005 - 9:53 AM

For the elbow:
Stretch targeted muscle by - hand facing down,
grap thumb and pull/bending towards floor, to your
arm and squeeze, lightly a couple of times.
Also, bend hand up and, at the wrist,
and pull lighly towards arm. This will warm up that muscle a little
before doing everything else.
Get a very strong rubber band, encircle your fingertips,
and stretch out then back in. Do this several times during
the day. This will work and target some of those muscles.
With a 1-2 LB weight, hold with you arm extended.
Lift weight at wrist up & down, then side ways. Also, squeeze a ball.
Increments of 10, rest, 10 again.
Ice pack - 10 min on/off 3-4 times after.
All of these things will held strengthen the muscles in
that area and the ice will held keep the inflammation down.
I have had this problem on and off for 2 years.
After I started to do this, my grip was better
on my rod and my elbow stopped hurting.
Good luck


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Posted May 07 2005 - 10:21 AM

I hurt my right elbow bad last year by being stupid. Had a bad splinter in the palm of my left hand so I was throwing a 6'6" two handed baitcaster with one hand for eight hours while pre-fishing a freshwater tourney with a buddy.
Hurt it good, but didn't wreck it, fortunately.
I hadda quit fishing for four months, basically.
It took a longer time for me to heal because I swing a hammer for a living, I'd guess. But I was good as new by the fall run
Rest, ice, stretching, and Tiger Balm was my regimen



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Posted May 07 2005 - 10:40 AM


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Originally posted by kentnarrows:
I twisted my elbow last November during a tussle with an AI rockfish. I thought it would be a temporary thing, but....it's been dogging me to varous degrees ever since. When I squeeze my fist, I can feel pain right at the elbow joint, and the joint is very sensitive to being bumped at the wrong angle.
Has anybody ever bunged up an elbow like this? I'll try folk remedies, faith healers and tribal shamans first....I know I should see a doctor, but I really can't stand running the gauntlet of our current Medical/<A TITLE="Click for more information about insurance" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||insurance|AA1VDw">Insurance</A> Complex.



It could also be bursaitis. You have a bag or gland at every joint that is called a bursa. What it does is lubricates the joint. Sometimes it gets inflammed. Best bet is to see an Orthipaedic or Sports Medicine Dr. He will probably give you ultrasound, heat and eventually excercises to get yourself together again. I'm warning you now, he is going to tell you to stop the movement that makes it hurt!



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Posted May 07 2005 - 2:44 PM

Thanks to everybody for the good advice, I'll give it a shot.... but I won't be really happy until I find a good doctor who suggests 3 months of therapeutic flycasting on Martha's Vineyard, paid for by BlueCross/Blueshield....OYE!!!!



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Posted May 07 2005 - 2:57 PM

My wife is a PA (physician assistant)with many years of family practice and ER experience. She offers this advice. Anti-inflamitories (800 mg ibuprophen) every 8 hours to take down the swelling (No more than 3-4 consectutive days, take with food). Ice after casting (20 mins on, off for at least an hour then 20 mins on again)),rest rest rest. Also an ACE wrap to compress the tendon while casting.
She has helped me through casting pains many times....
Tommy



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Posted May 07 2005 - 5:27 PM

Medial epicondylitis is probably the problem if making a fist hurts or flexing the wrist as in using a mouse. If it is the lower section of the elbow, that is the problem.
If it is the upper section then it is tennis elbow. Tennis elbow tends to be less serious.
Cortisone shot will help relieve the inflamtion and ice for 20 min every 2 hrs.
Antiinflammatory medications reduce inflammation and pain. Resting the sore area prevents further injury while allowing time to heal. A wrist splint holds the wrist in one position, limiting stresses at the elbow. Pain with activity is a sign that irritation is occurring. Try to avoid movements and activities that increase pain.
As healing continues different types of exercises are used. Early on, isometric exercises help to maintain muscle mass without over stressing tissue. Later, progressive resistive exercises are used to increase endurance and strength.
Problems can be avoided by taking frequent breaks as you work or play, improving overall arm muscle condition, and limiting heavy pushing, pulling or grasping.
If all else fails, surgery is done to treat golfer's elbow. The tendons that attach to the medial epicondyle are split to reveal the scar tissue. This scar tissue is removed. It takes about 3 weeks to resume light activities and 3 months to resume heavy activities and sports.


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Posted May 07 2005 - 5:56 PM

I get that every summer from fly casting. First the pain, then the swelling and lots of pain. My doctor just doesn't understand why I refuse to simply rest the elbow for a few weeks? He looks at me and says "can't you just go fishing a few weeks from now?"
But, he gives me a "cocktail" of lydocane(sp?) and cortisone, which he injects into several sites in the offending elbow. Truthfully, 1/2 hour after the shot, I'm good to go. The shot usually lasts me through the remained of the season.


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