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#1 FlySAR

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Posted December 26 2007 - 11:09 PM

Hi, Just saw this forum after posting to the "Main Forum"
Registered primarily so I could conduct searches & learn but But thought I'd post so maybe if there are other NW experienced surf casters on here they may be able to provide some tips. Actually, region probably isn't important regarding my question?
Fish mostly for Steelhead in smaller rivers in Oregon but recently became interested & tried a few times to fish for Surf Perch, referred to by the locals as "pink tails". Mostly fished them with sand shrimp (pumped locally by me) but have used some artificial grubs (Berkley baits). I guess we have an occaissional Striper role through here as well but they're more miss than hit.
I'm not set up with the 12' + surf rods so casting the 2-7oz pyramid is not viable at this time. I'd like to use my 9' medium weight casting rod spooled with 10-12lb mono, that I use for Steelhead fishing, so...
What is the best weights/rig set-up for this rod/line combo? Anyone fish with this light of set-up?
Nice site & thanks,
FlySAR


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#2 Mike Fixter

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Posted December 26 2007 - 11:56 PM

Your Steelhead rod will work fine for perch. I would stick with the artificials, primarily the grubs fished with a Carolina rig or something similar. Flys like the Surf Mickey will also work very good instead of a grub. Learning to read the water & figuring out what part of the tide the perch are feeding on will be your keys to success. Good luck, Mike


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#3 FlySAR

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Posted December 27 2007 - 12:41 AM

Your Steelhead rod will work fine for perch. I would stick with the artificials, primarily the grubs fished with a Carolina rig or something similar. Flys like the Surf Mickey will also work very good instead of a grub. Learning to read the water & figuring out what part of the tide the perch are feeding on will be your keys to success. Good luck, Mike


Thanks Mike,

What I was told by a couple of the locals was to fish about 2-3 hours before the incoming tide until high tide & try to cast beyond or into the area that looks to have disturbed sand; sound right to you? Oh, they also said to move a lot, they're either there or not.

Are you talking a Carolina rig similar to Bass rigs?

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#4 John Purser

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Posted December 27 2007 - 11:31 AM

Flysar,
I'm up in WA (Tacoma) and I've been heading down the same road as you. I started with some steelhead rods and then picked up a "Predator" rod from Cabelas and an Ocean Master surf rod on the marketplace here. These are VERY different rods believe me. I found the Predator to cast much further than any of my steelhead type rods and was much more sensitive to boot.
I'm waiting for a decent forecast so I can run to the beach to do some surf casting myself. Let me know what you find and I'll do the same.
John Purser


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Posted December 27 2007 - 1:18 PM

yeah a sliding sinker, fishfinder rig is the carolina rig. the hook sticks out instead of into the plastic.
in the south where the water is clearer and calmer the fish are spooky so they use very light line and long leaders. up here I can get away with 12# fluorocarbon leader that's only 18" long.
and don't use shiny hardware such as hooks or connectors. i even use a black tungsten bullet weight.
usually you dont have to cast very far for surf perch.


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#6 FlySAR

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Posted December 27 2007 - 4:12 PM

Flysar,

I'm up in WA (Tacoma) and I've been heading down the same road as you. I started with some steelhead rods and then picked up a "Predator" rod from Cabelas and an Ocean Master surf rod on the marketplace here. These are VERY different rods believe me. I found the Predator to cast much further than any of my steelhead type rods and was much more sensitive to boot.

I'm waiting for a decent forecast so I can run to the beach to do some surf casting myself. Let me know what you find and I'll do the same.

John Purser


John,
Are you still rigging the Predator rod with a Carolina rig with egg sinker or pyramid sinker? Would my Abu Garcia 6500 be a good fit/balance for this rod? I like the idea of staying light but I'm willing to do just about anything to increase success.
Del


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#7 John Purser

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Posted December 27 2007 - 4:26 PM

John,
Are you still rigging the Predator rod with a Carolina rig with egg sinker or pyramid sinker? Would my Abu Garcia 6500 be a good fit/balance for this rod? I like the idea of staying light but I'm willing to do just about anything to increase success.
Del

I've been using my Abu 5500 with that rod and like it. I think a 6500 would be fine as well.
I haven't made it to the coast with it yet though. I have been told that fishing anything but an incoming tide is a waste of time for red tailed surf perch up here. Also I've had clam necks STRONGLY recommended as bait. I haven't tried either as yet but hope to in 2008.


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Posted December 27 2007 - 5:09 PM

If you're gonna use bait, my first two choices for this area (San Francisco bay area) would be blood worms followed by pile worms.


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Posted December 28 2007 - 7:54 PM

The surf is really pounding around here & the rain won't stop - good for some things, not so good for others.

I was curious if you guys look at the offshore buoys for wave height & have correlated that with success? I know when the Umpqua Buoy is 4' or less, not very often, the surf on the beach is manageable for lighter tackle.

I'll have to save clam neck (end trimmings) to see how that fairs as bait.

Have a good weekend,

flysar


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Posted December 31 2007 - 1:07 AM

Clam necks (and old clam meat) will work great for bait. I generally use the same rig as I do with grubs. Some of the largest perch I have caught were on a trip using pieces of geoduck clam. ONe of the reasons was that it stayed o the hookk. You could catch several fish with one piece.

Other bait like sand crabs, mussels, squid, and anchovies also work well, but I , too, prefer to use grubs.

P.S. Your gear is perfect for perch. I prefer to use a "ultralight steelhead" type of spinning rod (8.5 feet, 4-12 lbs test, 3/8 to 1-1/4 oz). They are more fun to fight on that gear. The heavy rodsa are for when they are far out in the surf or for freezer (not fun) fishing.


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Posted December 31 2007 - 1:23 AM

once while i was through plugging for stripers with my big gear, i rigged it up with a sliding sinker and grub and was able to catch a couple of perch in the big surf.


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#12 John Purser

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Posted December 31 2007 - 1:37 AM

once while i was through plugging for stripers with my big gear, i rigged it up with a sliding sinker and grub and was able to catch a couple of perch in the big surf.

Howdy Pinfish. Was that today? Any luck with the stripers?


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Posted January 01 2008 - 12:27 PM

P.S. Your gear is perfect for perch. I prefer to use a "ultralight steelhead" type of spinning rod (8.5 feet, 4-12 lbs test, 3/8 to 1-1/4 oz). They are more fun to fight on that gear. The heavy rodsa are for when they are far out in the surf or for freezer (not fun) fishing.



That's what I was hoping to hear although I may try a surf rod later.

Been chasing steelhead the past few days. No hook-ups but I love being on the river. Probably watch some early bowl games & then gather some sandshrimp for tomorrows steelhead trip.

I'll let you guys know how I do when I hit the beach.

Happy New Year!


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Posted January 03 2008 - 1:14 AM

Lucky you, we are waiting for enough rain down this way (SF BAy area) to get the steelhead into the rivers. Its supposed to dump here starting tomorrow.

Post some pics if you got any.


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Posted January 03 2008 - 4:25 PM

FlySar do what you know best. This time of year there is some great steelhead rivers along the coast("San Lorenzo River in Santa Cruz to the Navarro")! The winter run steelhead ran up as large as 16 pounds but the average where about 12 in the days we used to fish these rivers. What I used to do is pick the closest river to me and head north hitting every one that provided public access until I found the fish.


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