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#1 Jelorian

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Posted June 19 2006 - 8:50 PM

Hey guys,
My younger brother bought a new house recently. The old house that he is currently living in has a pool. He would like to hang onto the old house to keep as a rental, but is wondering what to do with the pool. We thought of a bunch of scenarios and narrowed them down a bit.
He could:
A) Keep it and either let the renters maintain it or hire a pool service to maintain it.
B) Fill it in with dirt and turn it into part of the yard. That way, theoretically, could remove the dirt and use it as a pool again if he wanted to.
C) Build some sort of weatherproof cover for it that can also double as a back yard deck.
D) Rip it out entirely
I'm sure there are other things he could do. Ideally he would like to spend the least amount of money so option A) seems good, however there is a liability concern if a renter or guest of a renter drowns or gets hurt in the pool. Being that its his first time as a land lord he doesn't quite know his rights and the renters rights.
With option B) He gets to keep the pool but the filtration system would probably have to be prepped for long term disuse and possible resurfacing of the pool itself if he wanted to make it a pool again.
With option C) He still would keep the pool, although in this case it would remain empty, but the filtration system again would have to be put in long term shutdown mode. Also the cost of building a deck over the pool would be significant.
With option D) The pool is removed and any advantage of having it (from a real estate point of view) is gone. Plus the cost of removal and filling in the hole.
Any of you guys have any suggestions for him?
Thanks in advanced, guys!



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Posted June 19 2006 - 10:17 PM

I would rip it out completely. Thus avoiding any liabilities with tennents. Also I am willing to bet that the local codes will not allow simply filling it with dirt.


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Posted June 20 2006 - 5:59 AM

If he definitely is going to keep the place.. and continue to rent it out... get rid of the pool. Renters won't take care of it as well as it should be and he'll end up having to work on it before/after each tenant (costing time and $). Plus there's the liability thing, which would scare me more.



If he may sell the house in say 5 years... definitely worth building a cover so he could sell the house with the bonus of a pool.



I agree with above... they typically do not allow just filling in a pool. Removal would be pretty expensive with the cost of disposal fees nowadays.



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Posted June 20 2006 - 7:44 AM

Any reason why you are not allowed to just fill in a pool? I am doing that now at my place. We ripped out the liner and found nothing but sand underneath.


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Posted June 20 2006 - 7:44 AM


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Originally Posted by jobsite



If he may sell the house in say 5 years... definitely worth building a cover so he could sell the house with the bonus of a pool.




Not sure of the size of the pool but check with your building inspector covering may be an issue.
In my area a lot of realtors say that pools are white elephants.



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Posted June 20 2006 - 8:08 AM

If it were me, I'd fill the pool. The liability issue would keep me up at night and like mentioned before, it's very likely that the renters are not going to maintain it as well as he would, which could lead to other maintenance issues down the road.

Alternately, he could get on of those super duper covers, the kind where they put a track into the concret and the cover rolls over the pool. They are very safe and offer great protection. This way if he decides that he doesn't want to be a landlord he can sell the house with a pool.

Some people like houses with pools, but many don't, in fact, a pool can be a major negative when selling a house.



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Posted June 20 2006 - 1:03 PM

The liability issue is huge! Don't even think about renting it out until you've done whatever you have to do to remove the pool. There are more then just a few scumbags out there that would jump on the opportunity to fake a pool based injury, emotional distress due to an almost drowning is the most common one.



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Posted June 20 2006 - 5:24 PM


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Originally Posted by SeaOtter


Any reason why you are not allowed to just fill in a pool? I am doing that now at my place. We ripped out the liner and found nothing but sand underneath.








Most towns don't like the idea of plumbing or wiring being buried.. plus the possibility of chemical leakage.

I was assuming we were talking about a concrete and/or tile pool, with plumbing hoses and wires running through it??? If it did simply have a liner... yeah, pull it, rip down the walls and grade it!

Otherwise there's quite an expense to remove all that concrete and stuff.



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Posted June 20 2006 - 7:15 PM

Even if your brother had all of the legal stuff done right, imagine how he would feel if a little kid drowned in the pool? May not be his fault and the tenants may not take any legal action, however I'm sure it would make him feel pretty bad, especially since he's considering taking the pool out for that reason.



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Posted June 21 2006 - 11:19 AM

Thanks for all your suggestions guys. At this point, I'm going to tell him to talk to a local realtor and ask if having a pool has any advantages if he were to sell it in the future but I'm thinking he'll hang on to it for now. I'll also tell him to talk to a building inspector to see what his options are.
His pool is the concrete type with all the plumbing running underground. I'm sure it would cost an @$$ton of money to rip out and fill in if that is the route he decides to take.
Its funny, cause when they bought the house, the pool is what sold them....but as time wore on, I would say that they used it maybe 5 times in year. My brother spent more time cleaning it than swimming in it!!



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Posted June 21 2006 - 6:02 PM

A guy with an excavator can bust up the bottom, crush the cement pool sides and push the chunks down in the hole in almost no time. First hire an electrician to detach any wiring from the panel. If he can remove wire to the outside of the house you should have no problems with the building inspector. Remember, a crushed pool is good clean fill! I have been involved with a couple of jobs where pools were removed and the building department never gave us any trouble about the removal.


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Posted June 21 2006 - 10:05 PM

Fill it with salt water and put stripers in it!



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Posted June 22 2006 - 3:09 PM


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Fill it with salt water and put stripers in it!




Hahaha...we actually thought about something like that. Converting the pool filtration unit into aquarium use, then stock the pool with bass, catfish, stripers, and crappie.
Too much of a pain to make it salt water.



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Posted June 23 2006 - 10:07 AM


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Originally Posted by jobsite


Most towns don't like the idea of plumbing or wiring being buried.. plus the possibility of chemical leakage.
I was assuming we were talking about a concrete and/or tile pool, with plumbing hoses and wires running through it??? If it did simply have a liner... yeah, pull it, rip down the walls and grade it!
Otherwise there's quite an expense to remove all that concrete and stuff.





Ok, thanks!! You had me worried there for a second!! Nobody we've talked to seems to have any problems with us just filling it in. It is a 10-ft deep hard-sided pool, but once we ripped the liner out we found it was just laying on bare ground (sand). We thought it would have been underlaid with concrete or something, but apparently not. No hoses or wires running anywhere, no chemicals at all to spill. I guess we got lucky in that department!

And yes, I wanted badly to fill it and throw some nice LMB's or something in there (it's 18' wide x 36' long x 10' deep in the deep end, 3' deep in the shallow end), plenty of room for a nice big pond!! Unfortunately, we are putting my fiance's daycare in a building in the backyard, so no pools or open water whatsoever can be on the property. Insurance won't allow it, and I don't blame them. Oh well, we still have the hot tub (see my other post) .


ARGH!!! You've given up yet another secret spot!!!!!!!

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Posted June 23 2006 - 11:15 AM


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Originally Posted by longshot


A guy with an excavator can bust up the bottom, crush the cement pool sides and push the chunks down in the hole in almost no time. First hire an electrician to detach any wiring from the panel. If he can remove wire to the outside of the house you should have no problems with the building inspector. Remember, a crushed pool is good clean fill! I have been involved with a couple of jobs where pools were removed and the building department never gave us any trouble about the removal.







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