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#1 chum

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Posted April 22 2006 - 10:15 AM

As a newbie to this forum and surf fishing I am slightly confused as to the proper setup of the FF rig and the proper techniques for fishing this setup. Any help from the more experienced would be greatly appreciated.
PS. comments and suggestions need not be limited to the FF rig, I need all the help I can get!!! I'm hoping to hit the beach this week.

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Posted April 22 2006 - 11:35 AM

Dont know what you fellas are putting on the hook but if your chunking the ff is the ticket . You can alter the leader to assist in casting, i prefer 3-4 foot range which is perfect if there is some good current, even out front it is ok cause the surf helps. Hope this works for you, fwc



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Posted April 22 2006 - 12:34 PM

Thanks for the picture, that helps alot. One of my concerns is keeping the line taught. I assume the swivel is drawn against the slide and weight, with the leader-hook-and bait allowed to float in the current??
Is casting a problem with that much leader?

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Posted April 22 2006 - 12:50 PM

The only trouble you might see when casting is when there is a hard wind in your face, the weight will travel well but the bait and leader seperate almost is designed once in the water. Again look at the current, if your fishing it at the edge of a bar or cut the water will pull it out right where you want it, if there is nothing but flat sand (no structure) and the water doesnt seem to be moving too much try a hi/lo. I would try and focus on current though you will see more fish. I like the anti-reverse on a spinning outfit so that the stripers cruising are more likely to pick it up and move off without dropping the bait. Give it a shot with some different leader lengths to see what feels better on your outfit. I will say that aside from livelining bunk the ff is the go to early season bait rig by a long shot for a number of baits.

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Posted April 22 2006 - 02:20 PM

The standard rig is 2-3 inches of 60 lb. or higher test snelled with an 6/0 - 10/0 circle hook. The shorter leader aids in casting.

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Posted April 22 2006 - 04:05 PM


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Originally Posted by Pier_man0909


The standard rig is 2-3 inches of 60 lb. or higher test snelled with an 6/0 - 10/0 circle hook. The shorter leader aids in casting.





2-3" of 80-100# fluoro snelled with 12/0-14/0 circle works for me...

bank sinker replace with pyramyd or hurricane... couple of beeds on the main line before and after the FF sleve ...
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Posted April 22 2006 - 04:20 PM

I am liking the sound of a 2-3'' leader, and floro made a huge impact on my numbers. I thought i was going really short with a 1-3' leader but can really see how the casting would be better. Most guys ive seen in NJ are way longer that 2-3'' so im gonna give it a go. I also work the bead technique and since that switch I have basically no wrap up of the slider. Thats good info cant wait for the next trip now.

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Posted April 22 2006 - 05:46 PM

There is no one method that is the "right" one ,however there are certain things that hold true for all rigs......first of all the length from hook to swivel can be short or long ....as previously mentioned, the short will give you a longer cast which is sometimes necessary but usually the fish are much closer than you might guess.......the longer leader will give you possibly better bait presentation and prevents the swivel (and bait) from being drawn up tight to the swivel when wind and current put a lot of force on your main line. If you are fishing conventional reels short is the way to go since the fish can pick up the bait and travel....i use spinners and prefer not to let the fish go anywhere with my bait, i want an instant hook set, so i vary my leader length depending on the casting distance required. Since i do not use a shock leader(not necessary using 50 lb braid) i then use enough leader to the final swivel to prevent line abrasion when a large fish is hooked..(if you are using shock leader do a search)....never use cheap sliders. In the rig pictured the beads protect the knots from the slider, most conventional guys don't need or use beads unless to prevent the sinker from sliding too far up their shock leader. Very few folks use braid in the surf and i do not recomend it especially for anyone learning surf fishing. If you are not a powerful caster (me) you may not need a shock leader unless throwing 8 and bait.

Also remember keep hooks sharp, drag properly set, spikes well sunk, and check/change bait frequently.


......one of my earlist posts(2002 i think) i asked critter gitter what kind of rig he uses, over the years i have modified it to my fishing style...you may want to go back to 2002 posts and review that thread for more insite into what the experts use! good luck, put in your time and keep at it and eventually you will be successful! also remember the state record fish was caught only 50 yards from shore.........

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Posted April 23 2006 - 10:05 AM

Thanks Allen for all your in put. Your picture of a rig set me straight. I'm using 50 lb. shock leader, about 15 ft. long, tied to a doubled 17 lb. running line (mono) on my 4500 baitrunner reel. I think i'm set pretty well. Now if I can find a good spot and keep the toothy critters off my hook (#9 circle) I might pickup a legal stripper ( my first).
Good Luck to all

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Posted April 23 2006 - 10:42 AM

You can also replace the plastic slide with another barrel swivel and snap for lead.you can make your own rigs that are stronger.Do not use the plastic slide with braided line as it will saw through after a couple casts.
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Posted April 23 2006 - 10:55 AM

pic stolen from poppy ...
it is pretty much the 'standard' for 8&bait




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Posted April 24 2006 - 10:12 AM

Thats such a great pic, the bunker noggin looks so purdy in that light! that looks like a heavy heave for sure.

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Posted April 24 2006 - 11:56 AM

Is it intentional and, assuming it is, why no bead between the swivel to the bait and the swivel to the weight?

inquiring minds want to know.....

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Posted April 24 2006 - 12:22 PM


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Originally Posted by vmorrow


Is it intentional and, assuming it is, why no bead between the swivel to the bait and the swivel to the weight?

inquiring minds want to know.....




There's probably a near equal split between those who believe a bead helps protect the knot and those who just as fervently believe it does no such thing. Much like the "right way" to snell a hook; each method has its fans and true believers and none has any particular science behind it. If you believe it's doin' something good for you, then it probably is.
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Posted April 24 2006 - 12:43 PM


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There's probably a near equal split between those who believe a bead helps protect the knot and those who just as fervently believe it does no such thing. Much like the "right way" to snell a hook; each method has its fans and true believers and none has any particular science behind it. If you believe its doin' something good for you, then it probably is.




Wise and true for me... I run no bead between the ff swivel and the swivel at the top of the hook leader...I don't think I need the bead as the knot (Grinner) seems to do the job pretty good without being beaten up by the ff swivel...

The bead above the ff swivel I use all the time now...but others don't use beads at all. The only reason for that bead is to prevent the ff from riding up your line when you have a line-taking big fish on... The ff stops at the leader to running line knot... W/o the bead your sinker could go so far up your line during a fish battle, that it will come out of the water, suspended from your running line...not good!

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