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#1 Ben Lippen

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Posted November 15 2004 - 07:54 PM

Can ya, and how do ya, install the tack strips and then use a kicker?

I just inherited a job , and it's my worst nightmare. Carpet (which means I'm on my bad knees), and concrete (which makes my knees feel all the better).
Throw in a tool that requires me to hit it with either of said bad knees, and I'm in heaven

Before ya start, I'm sayin they dont want it glued down, except for the step...

Someone shoot me now, please

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Posted November 15 2004 - 08:36 PM

Powder actuated fasteners/washers (1 1/2") and PL adhesive is all I can think of to attach the tack strips. You wont be able to run your vapor barrier all the way to the walls, but you should be OK if it's a "dry" basement.

Otherwise, I have seen these OSB panels at HD that have a plastic face with approx 1" high domes that T&G together and were touted for your application. The panels weren't cheap, but prolly cheaper than doing a conventional subfloor.

Good Luck!

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#3 Ben Lippen

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Posted November 15 2004 - 09:42 PM

Thanks gad .
That's ben my plan of attack from the beginning if I didn't get another idea
I was hopin to not hafta go to the Depot in search of short fasteners with fat washers...

The job is on my friends back porch. Above grade slab, covered and three and a half seasoned...
He didn't, I should say, I didn't rock it yet. I already replaced the storm windows w/double hungs.

Next year I'm gonna re-do my apt. w/ that floor system you were talkin bout.
Expensive, but if I break ten less good coffee mugs , it'll be worth it
I've ben meanin to do a thing about that system here...
They sent me a whole package on the product when it came out. I've just gotta dig it out...

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Posted November 16 2004 - 08:12 AM

check around on the tack strip's
with the kind of buildings we do we use alot of padded carpet over concrete.
the guys i work with buy tack strips with concrete nails already attached and they pound them in with a 20oz hammer. i think even with yellow shots you might have a problem splitting the tack strip. mostly we use 4000psi on floors and those guys dont have too many issues hand nailing. i would think your issue might be if the concrete is not strong enough and would spaul.
just a thought

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Posted November 16 2004 - 08:33 AM

I would hammer drill through the tack strip and into the concrete then use tapcons..

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Posted November 16 2004 - 09:27 AM

I've got slab on grade at my office. The guys who installed the carpet here used regular old "tackless" on the perimiter. They were prepared with liquid nails/adhesive on the chance that the concrete was too brittle and the tackless nails wouldn't bite.

I don't envy anyone who has to "kick" carpet. That job sucks.

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Posted November 16 2004 - 08:55 PM

Hey John, what Andrew said is right.They make tackless just for that purpose. I used it a few times with Bob O's buddy Gary D. Also, he used adhesive as well.(on the tackless not the carpet) He knows his stuff when it comes to flooring.
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Posted November 16 2004 - 08:59 PM

I did my cousin's basement with the regular tack strips. Maybe 1 in 5 nails didn't grab. 5 years ago,three teenage kids, no problems.
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Posted December 05 2004 - 12:43 PM

Thanks for all the help guys
Just to let ya'll know, I convinced them to pull up the old carpet, and let us glue the new one down. After a few slices to break it into manageable pieces, they had it out in no time. Except for the step/landing
We prepped the room, and three of us brought the carpet in and cut it for fit. Rolled up half, glued the floor, then rolled it out. Same for the other side. Then two of us cut the step/landing for fit, glued the top and rolled it out.
After a beer break, we used contact cement to glue down the riser part, which is what was used last time and hence the trouble pulling the section off

Came out great, and took about four hours.

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Posted December 05 2004 - 07:30 PM

Some jobs ya just have to walk away from!
thanks but no thanks!
Of course that sort of thinkin comes with age and the realization that your body will pay to dearly for the trauma you will put it thru for the almighty $$

PS:
Should have read the entire post!
Glad you were able to do what ya did John!
But...as said there are some jobs that I walk away from with the body aging like it is
Damn growing older is hurtin more n more