Jump to content


Photo

Circle hooks for blackfish?


  • Please log in to reply
23 replies to this topic

#1 96TL

96TL
  • Senior Member

  • PipPipPip
  • 137 posts
  • Joined: Sep-23 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 12:59 AM

What do you guys think of circle hooks for toggin? What brand and size would you recommend (if any)? I'm gonna tie some rigs this week. Thanks!


2006 Parker 2320SL / Yamaha F250

#2 johnny d

johnny d
  • 1,000 Post Club!

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,718 posts
  • Joined: Apr-07 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 2:13 AM

my advice is to not use them for tog. if you can consistently land tog on circles, let us know.
there are times later in the season when tog do there "scratch and bump" routine, and I think about cirles, but then never tried them. from my experience, this is usually when its colder and in deeper water. you do not get the harder bites and circles may "seem" like a good choice, but I have not seen any good evidence that they work better. Ive seen guys experiment with them and I didnt like the results.
until I see someone nail more tog on cirles, I will not switch. I get pissed when a tog burries me! a cirle hook would probably drive me nuts!



#3 FenderBender

FenderBender
  • 1,000 Post Club!

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,562 posts
  • Joined: Dec-08 2000

Posted February 25 2004 - 9:43 AM

I used circles a few times and hookups dropped drastically. I'm a firm believer that TOG just won't hook themselves. You gotta work 'em. I went to the Octopus style (Gami) and my hookup rated went up far exceeding the rate when I was using baitholders. Just my .02.


"All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege" wink.gif

#4 96TL

96TL
  • Senior Member

  • PipPipPip
  • 137 posts
  • Joined: Sep-23 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 10:00 AM

Okay I'll switch to the Octupus hooks. I was using the virginia style. Thanks!


2006 Parker 2320SL / Yamaha F250

#5 topnbottomrig

topnbottomrig
  • Elite Member

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 851 posts
  • Joined: Sep-20 2000

Posted February 25 2004 - 10:04 AM

I have tried lots of different hooks for Blackfish and even some circles, but I have never been able to catch one on a circle hook. For a circle hook to work the fish has to grab the bait and turn and run away with it. I don't think thats how Tog feed. They seem to stay put while they chew and spit then move on. You gotta stick them when the bait is in their mouth cause they don't seem to move when they eat like Stripers for example.
tnbr



#6 96TL

96TL
  • Senior Member

  • PipPipPip
  • 137 posts
  • Joined: Sep-23 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 10:51 AM

Any advice for someone using braid for the first time? I spooled up my TiCa Gemini with 300 yards of #50 Spiderwire Stealth.


2006 Parker 2320SL / Yamaha F250

#7 topnbottomrig

topnbottomrig
  • Elite Member

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 851 posts
  • Joined: Sep-20 2000

Posted February 25 2004 - 12:30 PM

Use a 10'~15' mono leader about 40# test tied to the braid as a shock absorber. Use an albright, alberto, or uni to uni knot to attach this leader. Go out in the woods and get a 1 ft. long stick about 1" in diameter. Use this stick to wrap around the line to break free when hoplessly hung up. Do not use your bare hands to pull on braid it will cut you. If this is your first time for braid get ready to feel every little nibble and peck as the line is very sensitive compaired to mono.
Good Luck
tnbr



#8 96TL

96TL
  • Senior Member

  • PipPipPip
  • 137 posts
  • Joined: Sep-23 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 12:47 PM


Quote:







Originally posted by topnbottomrig:
Use a 10'~15' mono leader about 40# test tied to the braid as a shock absorber. Use an albright, alberto, or uni to uni knot to attach this leader.


Is this in addition to the fluoro leader? I was planning on using 10' of 40# fluoro with a simple overhand loop on the bottom for the sinker and a dropper loop several inches above for the hook (loop to loop connection).


Quote:







Originally posted by topnbottomrig:
Go out in the woods and get a 1 ft. long stick about 1" in diameter. Use this stick to wrap around the line to break free when hoplessly hung up.


Anything else I can use? I don't really have any woods around me (Brooklyn, NY).


2006 Parker 2320SL / Yamaha F250

#9 Kings over Queens

Kings over Queens
  • Way too many!

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 58,642 posts
  • Joined: May-26 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 1:20 PM

I wouldn't use floro. Tog aren't leader shy and you want the heavier mono because of the abrasion protection if affords. Also, it's easier than braid to break off when you get hung up.
A piece of dowel will also work.



#10 FenderBender

FenderBender
  • 1,000 Post Club!

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,562 posts
  • Joined: Dec-08 2000

Posted February 25 2004 - 1:57 PM

KoQ,
I would say TOG are leader shy. I changed from a mono leader to a flouro leader after my first four TOG trips this past spring and got a lot more action plus my personal best 12lbs 8oz. I snell a 4/0 Octopus on one end of a four foot piece of 60# flouro and tie a sinker dropper about ten inches from that then attach to my braid with a swivel. When hung bad, the flouro will mostly part at the swivel. Works for me.


"All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege" wink.gif

#11 Kings over Queens

Kings over Queens
  • Way too many!

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 58,642 posts
  • Joined: May-26 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 2:06 PM

That's interesting Fender. I'm by no means an expert, and anyone else I've ever talked to lamented my feelings. As a matter of fact, one sharpie gave me some "milkey whites" (?) so I could tie my own rigs. These are no where near as stealthy as floro. I don't have enough experience either way to formulate an opinion however.



#12 topnbottomrig

topnbottomrig
  • Elite Member

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 851 posts
  • Joined: Sep-20 2000

Posted February 25 2004 - 2:30 PM

96TL,
If you add 10' of flouro. you won't need the mono. In place of the stick cut a 6~12 inch peice of broom handle or wooden dowel.
tnbr



#13 96TL

96TL
  • Senior Member

  • PipPipPip
  • 137 posts
  • Joined: Sep-23 2003

Posted February 25 2004 - 3:40 PM

I'm gonna try out the fluoro and see if there's any difference. I haven't done well on my last 2 trips but neither did the rest of the boat. Maybe the braid and fluoro will give me some better luck this time! Last time I was using straight 40# pink Ande with no leader.
tnbr, I'll chop up a broom handle tonight.


2006 Parker 2320SL / Yamaha F250

#14 GOTTOG

GOTTOG
  • 5,000 Post Club!

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,805 posts
  • Joined: Jul-06 2001

Posted February 25 2004 - 7:54 PM


Quote:







Originally posted by 96TL:
Any advice for someone using braid for the first time? I spooled up my TiCa Gemini with 300 yards of #50 Spiderwire Stealth.


As tnbr said, you'll feel everything. You'll have to learn the differences of bergall bites and patiently wait through them till you get that tog bite
Some people swear by fluro. I've never seen it outperform other mono when tog'n. I like the "milky white" strands of mono to snell the hooks on with, usually 40#test.
As to circle hooks, well, I tried them for tog and they just don't perform well. As mentioned by others, you need to set that hook into a blackfish usually with some force so that will negate the circle hooks benefits. They do work for seabass though.


Team Goats

#15 OverTheBar

OverTheBar
  • Member

  • PipPip
  • 51 posts
  • Joined: May-21 2003

Posted February 26 2004 - 11:21 AM


Quote:







Originally posted by topnbottomrig:
I don't think thats how Tog feed. They seem to stay put while they chew and spit then move on.


I used to SCUBA dive and it taught me to be a better Togpuller.
When they are actively feeding, much of the time their body attitude is vertical, head down, using their pectoral, dorsal and ventral fins for lateral movement (like a triggerfish).
They descend and rise over prospective food as much as a foot or so from the bottom; down, up, down, up. (18 inch leader ) When they find a tidbit it gets mouthed, they rise off the bottom, and if required, pass the item to the crushers. Some shell and debris falls out, (sometimes the hook) and they move off. It is this point where we feel that main tug we are waiting for.
This is why toggers initially feel bigger than they actually are and have that ability to get in the wreck or rock so fast . . . they are facing perfectly and completely opposite of our pull direction. This is also why circles don't work so well, by the time the hook has cammed enough to dig the point, it's pretty much completely out of the fish's mouth. This direction of pull is different from the 90 degrees a laterally traveling fish has and where circles excel.
Just remember, that fish is more than likely facing straight away from you when you set the hook.

Keep his head up has always been good advice!
OverTheBar




Back to Bottom Fishing Forum · Next Unread Topic →