Beach Closures

[malibuX]

I've never been to the OBX, but will be going down this September/October. What are these beach closures you guys talk about? (and where and when exactly are they?).

[derf]

What are these beach closures you guys talk about? (and where and when exactly are they?).

exactly what it says the beach is closed ...
when ,,,, it is when ever the park service and the eco-nazis think they should be closed ...it can change from day to day , or even in the middle of the day ................

[joemullet]

sept-oct as long as it isnt end of oct? go to the northern outerbanks, nags head north . the inlet? nobody knows for shure . cant drive on the beach except in corova but around nags head really no need, plenty of piers, avalon, nags head pier are best that time of year. last week oct-dec then go south to hatteras island, but like derf said nobody knows about the closures, when and where ? where are you going to stay?

[UCanCallMeJohnson]

malibuX, there are still many, many miles to drive on OBX beaches when the closures are in effect.

Derf seems to make it sound like the entire OBX beaches are shut down, but that is not true. Yes, the prime (easy to catch) areas get shut down but by September/ October you may have access to some or all of these places like Ocracoke Inlet, Hatteras Inlet, Cape Point in Buxton, and Oregon Inlet.

I would try surfing the Internet for when and what is closed. I would also look at what was closed last year. Most of the closures happened from April through August if I remember correctly.

Don't let the closures and the rank discord about the closures on this and other Internet sites discourage you from visiting the greatest surf fishing area in North America. Cancelling a trip there solely because some of the beaches are not accessible is extremely damaging to the end result we would all like to see which is "reasonable management of the area".

The best way to fight what has happened is to continue to support the businesses there by visiting and spending money. To crush a bunch of small businesses run by generally great people because you disagree with what has happened is completely wrong.

JJJ

[derf]

Derf seems to make it sound like the entire OBX beaches are shut down,......

where did i say that ????
did i state anything false ?
even you say:

you may have access to some or all of these places like Ocracoke Inlet, Hatteras Inlet, Cape Point in Buxton, and Oregon Inlet.

may being the word here ..

and just out of curiosity; what is your definition of

"reasonable management of the area"

because imho what the management of the

greatest surf fishing area in North America

was pure bs !!!


the one thing i will agree with you is

To crush a bunch of small businesses run by generally great people because you disagree with what has happened is completely wrong.

and yes i have not been to hatteras to fish this past year ; preferring to go somewhere i have 'beach access' . but i do cut my trip there short to come home via hatteras and stop at all my favorite shops and buy what ever i need or want .
the wrong part is that the eco-nazis are shutting down the hatteras beaches and will be shutting down every other beach they can !!

[Steve Coleman]

not just the eco-nazis. for some unknown reason, selected local representatives also agreed to the closures when they signed off on the consent decree. the egos involved will never explain why they caved in. as far as the rest of the beach using public goes we never had a say in that travesty of "justice".

you may never get back the access we once had because of that.

it's all bad.

gl,
steve

[joemullet]

Originally Posted by Steve Coleman

not just the eco-nazis. for some unknown reason, selected local representatives also agreed to the closures when they signed off on the consent decree. the egos involved will never explain why they caved in. as far as the rest of the beach using public goes we never had a say in that travesty of "justice".

you may never get back the access we once had because of that.

it's all bad.

gl,
steve

steve, they didnt have a choice, that judge was going to close it ALL ALL ALL. and where can local parties, county, get the funds to fight the bird people, all they are is lawyers that make money on what they do and they have never been here and dont plan to. they dont care what the impact is here, its all about that they can, this has been planned for 30yr in my op. you know when a lawyer is lying? his mouth is open.

[Dave588]

Beach driving closures under the interim plan and newer consent decree are based upon nesting birds and sea turtles. Areas will be opened and closed as species dictate. Normally Sept-Oct, the beaches will be open and you can just print out a night permit. Here is an NPS link for current closures.
http://www.nps.gov/caha/planyourvisi...leearthmap.htm
If a Mod deletes the link, You can find it in the beach access issues at islandfreepress(dot)org
http://islandfreepress.org/
Pressure which allowed enviros to attack the NPS interim plan was caused by a tourist operating an ATV illegally on the beach. If your surf fishing, learn the ramp maps before operating on the beach. If you believe in open beach access, join the NCBBA. Higher access also draws sobriety checkpoints.

[Dave588]

What did you do in that time period? Just sit back and wait for someone else to fight for you? The ATV broke a barrier that had been weakened for a long time. The judge stated publicly that he supported total closure.

Originally Posted by Steve Coleman

not just the eco-nazis. for some unknown reason, selected local representatives also agreed to the closures when they signed off on the consent decree. the egos involved will never explain why they caved in. as far as the rest of the beach using public goes we never had a say in that travesty of "justice".

you may never get back the access we once had because of that.

it's all bad.

gl,
steve

[joemullet]

one thing that has my opinion is the fact of campers showing up even 4x4 motorhomes, started looking like a city as all parked side by side and stayed a week but if you own a $70,000 truck you can say what you can . all we do is keep a low profile and nobody sees you but some cant do that. then you get the guy that gets a new truck and doesnt have the sense to know that there is a speed limit, he dont care as he will go home in a couple days and park service just slaps his hand, i have seen it all in 40yr and 30 on the outer banks. drunks, fights, speeding, driving over dunes and no education. all this has impacted the beaches on how we use them effects even those that use the beach like they should. this is just a vent but nobody talks about this and doubt they will.

[UCanCallMeJohnson]

I've seen a lot of what you speak about that disgusts me there, especially Cape Point.

It's very easy for me to see why it was a target for the Audobon and DOW. All that really had to happen was what has been going on in Delaware for 20 years. Although there were meager attempts of enforcement and planning, the bottom line is there was a clear violation of the edict of "making and enforcing a plan".

Please Derf, Steve, and the others who drive and ride the bandwagon we all know about, leave me out of your orations. Personally, I feel that the there is much damage done by what you guys say and it becomes offensive to lots of people when you say we were sold out by people just like us who made a choice that kept OBX beaches open.

JJJ

[derf]

there was no "choice to keep the beaches open"
it was an either 'you go along with us on this or you will get no other support from us '..
the main problem with the consent decree is the fact that it is not able to be overturned ..
the fact is now it is 'you agreed to this you can't change your mind '
the people who should be held accountable is every chns park superintendent going back 30 years and their supervisors; for not doing their job !!

[hatrasfevr]

Listen to what Derf and the others are saying. I was one of the people that you are talking about! I was one of the people that was give two choices .........go along with what we say or ALL the beaches will be closed.

You wanna talk about this issue....talk to me! I was one of the folks that 'caved in'.......yes I did so for the sake of all the business owners on Hatteras Island, all of the absentee rental unit owners on Hatteras Island, the people in KDH and Nags Head so their property and other taxes wouldn't increase. And guess what, like Derf, I live in PA. The difference between me and you is I am part of an organization that is doing all we can to protect open beach access for all Americans to the lands we ALL own. In 2008 $514,000 was spent by Uncle Sam on negotiated rulemaking to protect less than 20 plovers. The projected cost for 2009 is near $400,000...........Add in the expenses of all the Clubs and Organizations that are fighting to maintain open beaches and the cost would likely be over $5 MM for 20 birds. Does this make any sense?

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Mike Metzgar
North Carolina Beach Buggy Association
Director, #5559, Life Member
Mike.Metzgar@NCBBA.Org
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[surffishn]

There you have it guys.I hope this is the last thread on who the he** sold you out.This finger pointing and bickering and moaning is a bit old. It was a very bad situation and it was caused years ago by incompetent NPS personal.Who collected pay instead of doing there job. Now is the time to quit bitc**ng and do something positive. Join NCBBA,OBPA and donate some time,cash whatever. So much goes on behind the scene. People dedicated to open access.Spend there time and money traveling to meetings ,fund raisers,clean ups ect.The fight will never just go away.So do what you can while we still have a foot in the arena.Join the fight or shut up and sit on the porch!

[hatrasfevr]

Thanks for the support of NCBBA and your continued membership. Nearly the entire month of February 2009 has scheduled meetings on Negotiated Rulemaking: A process hoping to meet consensus for ALL that desire beach access.

NCBBA President Jim Keene and Vice President David Joyner have volunteered an average of 12-15 days per month for the last 4 years working on an equitable solution for beach access and conservation of many species. Luckily, NCBBA has two men that are available as needed and are willing to respond to the whims of this process.

The US Fish and Wildlife Service will be sued by CHAPA (Cape Hatteras Access Preservation Association) in court over their recent declaration that the entire National Seashore Recreational Area is wintering habitat for the piping plover. This is the same basic lawsuit that was overturned a few years ago due to the overzealous approach of the USFWS.

The future of open beaches for public use will be fought in the courts for years to come. Fortunately there are many people that have donated money, time, expertise and knowledge to support the legal funding of the Open Beach Access organizations like NCBBA. The next battlegrounds will be Assateague and Cape Lookout. Access at these National Seashores will be decided at Cape Hatteras which will become the 'boiler plate' for all Seashores.

The big winners in all of this is the Lawyers.........The big loser is Joe Public who is funding all sides of the outcome. The Lawyers are being paid by contributions from the members of 'like minded' organizations on both the Access and Environmentalist sides of the issues. The USFWS, NPS, The Reg Neg Facilitators and the other Federal participants are being paid by US the taxpayer. So there you have it...........we get to pay for twice for something we should have free in the first place!

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Mike Metzgar
North Carolina Beach Buggy Association
Director, #5559, Life Member
Mike.Metzgar@NCBBA.Org
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