Loosing the media war

[bhorsley]

just returned form a road trip to Morehead City for the last three days. I was amazed at the media coverage---

The coverage i heard and saw both on Local NPR and local TV had reports of "through diligent and hard negotiations the Defenders of Wildlife (who ever they are) and Audubon Society had saved the traditions of Outer Banks surf fishing and protected the wildlife. It was great success for everyone involved."

[Steve Coleman]

Originally Posted by bhorsley

just returned form a road trip to Morehead City for the last three days. I was amazed at the media coverage---

The coverage i heard and saw both on Local NPR and local TV had reports of "through diligent and hard negotiations the Defenders of Wildlife (who ever they are) and Audubon Society had saved the traditions of Outer Banks surf fishing and protected the wildlife. It was great success for everyone involved."

When the so-called stakeholders signed the consent decree it killed us.

[bhorsley]

yep--believed the signing was under duress

[Tall Paul]

I guess I misunderstood, I thought that it was the Defenders of Wildlife and the Audubon Society that were/are forcing the hand of Judge Boyle to close OUR beaches (National seashore, belongs to the public) to the traditional surf fishing of the Outer Banks. WE really are "Loosing the Media War" if the news papers and Local news cast "paint" those eco terrorist in a positive light. I know I'm just preaching to the choir here but all these closing are/will be a social/economic disaster to the Outerbanks.

[fishdaddy]

Typical media spin-doctoring. They didn't mention the disasterous economic impact they inflicted to the local business's, hum funny.

[surffishn]

This is very typical of DOW.They are Anti Fishing,Hunting,&Trapping.They went head on in the 80's to stop all trapping in USA.They lost that battle.Back then it was the same Lies and half-truths.They have the cash to get to the media as Mr.Horsley pointed out.

[Drumdum]

Originally Posted by surffishn

This is very typical of DOW.They are Anti Fishing,Hunting,&Trapping.They went head on in the 80's to stop all trapping in USA.They lost that battle.Back then it was the same Lies and half-truths.They have the cash to get to the media as Mr.Horsley pointed out.

It's pretty easy to sway a mostly liberal media using some guy clubing a seal,or using shows like Planet Earth,or even cartoons, to get the American public brainwashed enough to think surfishermen are out to kill everything they get thier hands on,as well as destroy the planet and every bird on it..

Somehow,someway,we (fishermen and hunters) are going to have to get possitive press nationally,or we will be the endangered species...

Steve Colman,maybe you need to take that up with Dare County as they footed the bill,and were the main "co-defendents" in the case... They really had no leg to stand on after Department of Interior told NPS drop it,settle it,and make it go away...

[Steve Coleman]

Mr. Drumdum,

I just call it as I see it.

When that decree was signed the game was over. There's no way I can see to fight it. You have given them legal basis to close the entire obx for as long as they feel like as well as you have now lost night times and agreed to a permit system if anything ever opens up. Not only that but you have to police the area too to avoid punitive closures (not that there's much left to close) and gee if they sue you get to pay for it!

Who in their right mind could even consider signing that p.o.s. legal settlement.

The lawyers for the dow and autoban society are geniuses, the rest of the signers were morons.

Why is everybody so busy protecting their rear ends and Mr. Murray.

What's there to sugar coat?

I'm on your side, and I'm allowed to be unhappy. It's not my consent decree.


Enjoy your boats,
Steve

[Drumdum]

Originally Posted by Steve Coleman

Mr. Drumdum,

I just call it as I see it.

When that decree was signed the game was over. There's no way I can see to fight it. You have given them legal basis to close the entire obx for as long as they feel like as well as you have now lost night times and agreed to a permit system if anything ever opens up. Not only that but you have to police the area too to avoid punitive closures (not that there's much left to close) and gee if they sue you get to pay for it!

Who in their right mind could even consider signing that p.o.s. legal settlement.

The lawyers for the dow and autoban society are geniuses, the rest of the signers were morons.

Why is everybody so busy protecting their rear ends and Mr. Murray.

What's there to sugar coat?

I'm on your side, and I'm allowed to be unhappy. It's not my consent decree.


Enjoy your boats,
Steve

You see,if the decree had not been signed,Mr Boyle would have said "game over".. Then another 2,but more than likely 3yrs before reg-neg was done to open beaches again.. Be patient,they were.. It took them about 6 months to get the injuction going,and another 2 months for the judge to finish making laws for NPS and all 4whl drive vehicles...

Believe me,game ain't over yet.. Hide and watch,gonna be a bunch a p*ssed off bird lovers before this is through...

We had one of the best eviromental lawers in this country.. If you or anyone else feels they could have done better they should have stepped up to the plate.. But of course you first would have to be "recognized" as being able to be there by Judge Bean,I mean Boyle...

As far as Murray,I stand by what I have said on other boards,it's jmho,but I stand by it,because of what I know,not what I speculate...

PS Tater and I WILL ENJOY our boat.. AND after what I think will happen happens,we will enjoy both..

[Connetquot]

Originally Posted by bhorsley

just returned form a road trip to Morehead City for the last three days. I was amazed at the media coverage---

It was great success for everyone involved."

I guess that depends upon your definition of "a great success". We probably thought that the A-Bomb was a great success, while I suspect there are quite a few Japanese who would disagree.

I'll focus on the "suck" part of success.

Jeff B.

[Steve Coleman]

Originally Posted by Drumdum

AND after what I think will happen happens,we will enjoy both..

I can only pray that what you think will happen happens and happens soon.

Good luck,
Steve

[Possum]

Look at what the small storm this weekend did to the "nesting area"...
Pitiful.....but kinda funny in a way.

[Plug]

Steve, At first I too was pissed. With the 10:00 closure I felt they sold the hard core fishermen down the river and to them it didn't matter since most of the ORV users who brought the $$$ to Hatt. left the beach at dusk anyway.

Then I was in F&F and Frank told me how hard they had to fight to get the night closure moved from 6pm to 10pm.

Maybe the consent decree made it harder to pursue other avenues, maybe it didn't. But those people were scrambling to save their livelihoods. Not only their jobs but also their businesses. Things they have invested their whole lives into.

So maybe before you make one of your typical smart-alek remarks like "enjoy your boats" maybe you should think and realize guys like John Couch and Kenny Wilson have a whole lot more at stake here than some Baltimoron who makes a couple of recreational fishing trips a year.

[Steve Coleman]

Originally Posted by Plug

So maybe before you make one of your typical smart-alek remarks...................

thanks.

You can stick up for your buddies, but the fact remains it was a horrible decision and we were sold out for what ever reason you choose to pick - they all fit the bill.

[Plug]

Sorry if you felt that was over the top Steve but truth be told I've felt the sting of your cuts before too.

And you can say I'm defending my buddies but as far as I know Kenny had no part in it and I've talked to John twice.

I'll say it again, they did what they felt they had to do to try and protect their livelihoods, businesses and way of life. Maybe in regards to further recourse it was right, maybe not. But I don't think without having been there to witness the proceedings or listen to counsel anyone can make that decision. So I defer to those whose lives were on the line.