injunction closure maps

[Pier_man0909]

here are some maps of the closures they are asking for in the injunction. I m also missing 1 map

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[DaveS]

That is utter BS! All for a couple of birds? I hope every business owner on the Outer Banks attends this hearing and screams "NO WAY", or they all might end up on welfare. Totally disgusting.

[DE Beachguy]

Man, if I were loaded with $$$, I would like to have paid for tour buses to take as many people to Raleigh for the hearing as wanted to go. I wonder how many people from the OBX will be going. It's just another factor going against the OBX communities that this has to happen in a federal court, which is nowhere near the area.

[John M]

I find it interesting that they targeted all the most popular fishing spots.........no mention of lightly traveled beaches..........some how I suspect if they win this closure, they will then go for what little is left.

[DaveS]

Somehow, I dont see them winning this John, there's too much $$$$ at stake for the people who own business' down there. CHNS and the Outer Banks as a whole would be devastated by the loss of revenue, more damage than a few hurricanes could do thats for sure.

[Cdog]

Thats just what they are "asking" for.

The sad thing is the judge has already gone on record saying that beach driving is illegal.

He could ban driving on the beaches totally.

[John M]

the thing abou tthe areas in question. they all have frequent overwashes.......so if there are birds nesting it all gets washed away........

[Pier_man0909]

Originally Posted by Cdog

Thats just what they are "asking" for.

The sad thing is the judge has already gone on record saying that beach driving is illegal.

He could ban driving on the beaches totally.

that is correct. but if I remember correctly they also asked for a different closure, for nesting I think, from april-september in any area that has been a nesting ground in the past decade which are not on those maps. who knows how much that could be.

[GMinPA]

Originally Posted by John M

the thing abou tthe areas in question. they all have frequent overwashes.......so if there are birds nesting it all gets washed away........

Yep.

I find it interesting that the enviros ignore the bird population on the spoils island out in the Sound.

[Pier_man0909]

Originally Posted by GMinPA

Yep.

I find it interesting that the enviros ignore the bird population on the spoils island out in the Sound.

they have been on the islands and counted the birds but refure to count them in since the islandsare not a part of the CHNSRA. they are even goin as far to say that the park is not doing a good enough job because they are not nesting in the park.

[DE Beachguy]

Arrogance, condescension and the desire for control are the bases of some people's playing-God attitude regarding wildlife. Granted, some aspects of wildlife management efforts have plenty of merit. However, in cases such as this, the typical thinking applied is that we, the people that "know better," must save the "imperiled" (by our arbitrary definition) wildlife from the dangerous actions (also by our arbitrary definition) of other people by certain people's activities). Humans are always to be blamed (by other humans, of course). The key, though, is that the reasons for this blame very often have nothing to do with the welfare of the wildlife in question.

It's preposterous to say that the birds' lack of increasing nesting success on the beaches and their choice of nesting on the spoil islands are only because of (man's) poor management in the park areas. Those that claim to be so-called defenders of wildlife seem to have no respect for the birds' ability to adapt to more favorable nesting locations if they exist. It would seem to me that in the birds' simplistic, survival-level thinking, they find a more suitable (no predators, etc) place to nest, so they go there, period. They don't care if it's inside or outside a park border that man draws on a map. Does the word "migratory" mean anything???

We're not just dealing with organizations here but the philosophy that many of these people fall for, for whatever reason. Part of it is the desire to have power over other people, simple as that. That's why I call it "environmental tyranny." Wildlife just happens to be a convenient (and voiceless) tool they can use to generate propaganda and accomplish their goals. It is dangerous, sickening, infuriating and in some ways laughable all at the same time...and it must be fought at every turn!

Jay

[surffishn]

The bottom line this is not about birds or turtles.It is about stopping fishing plain and simple.Birds turtles are just another excuse for a Anti.Org.Are the point and the inlets the only place birds or turtles go.Of course not but it is the very best fishing areas.This is just a start folks.Give them a inch they will take it all!!