An all-metal tip for a spinning rod?

DngrMse · 09-02-2007, 10:32 PM

I recently started using braid and try as I might, I still run the swivel through the the top guide knocking out the insert(just broke my 2nd one). I would like to replace the tip with an all metal one so that I'm not at the tackle shop every week replacing tips, or at least until I get used to properly fishing with braid/swivel/mono. I did a search, but didn't come up with any similar posts. All the tips I've seen online have inserts, but I was hoping someone here would know where to source one out.

Or ... does anyone have any advice from preventing this altogether? I was thinking maybe tying something protective before the swivel to protect the tip?

black talon · 09-02-2007, 10:40 PM

put on a plastic bead, that will stop it from going into the tip

Patrick9915 · 09-02-2007, 10:41 PM

Try searching for rod building supplies. I know PacBay makes a tip top that is all metal.

I'm pretty sure braid would cut right through an all metal tip. That's why a lot of rods are built with hardaloy or SiC or a combination of the two. I think you just need to be more careful or put a large bead on your running line above your swivel.

tin squid · 09-02-2007, 10:45 PM

He might be right about braid scorring the all metal tip. I have a few older rods that have a salt water fly tip aftco I think thats wrapped on. Or to save trips to the shop, buy several tips but stop using a swivel to join your leader, how about a double uni -would also be good advice

Shaky · 09-02-2007, 11:05 PM

A carbide tip should do the trick. I don't use braid but tungsten carbide is a 9 on the mohs hardness scale. I believe the SiC is a 9.2 Hard stuff, they make all sorts of cutting tools out of it. Should hold up to braid.

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cgg · 09-02-2007, 11:51 PM

You might consider trying the very small, but very strong Spro swivels. I think I use a #6--it is small enough to go through the tip without causing damage, if you reel in too far.

DngrMse · 09-03-2007, 12:55 AM

Thanks.
Both the bead and the tying the mono to the braid without the swivel are excellent suggestions. Im going to try both. But is tying a uni to uni knot something that can be done quickly? Im sure with practice it can be done quickly, so Ill guess Ill have to start with that. Are beads readily availble in tackle shops, or would I have to go to a crafts store?

Patrick9915 · 09-03-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DngrMse

Thanks.
Both the bead and the tying the mono to the braid without the swivel are excellent suggestions. Im going to try both. But is tying a uni to uni knot something that can be done quickly? Im sure with practice it can be done quickly, so Ill guess Ill have to start with that. Are beads readily availble in tackle shops, or would I have to go to a crafts store?

I prefer the albright knot myself. Just use a couple extra wraps than they suggest since you are tying braid to mono instead of mono to mono.

As far as the beads, I can't remember where I got the one I had. I think it was from a boyscout craft kit. Just be careful with the blues, they may nip at it.

ItsaFluke86 · 09-03-2007, 01:13 AM

try your hardest not to reel in the swivel through your tip, all it takes is a bit of attention when reeling in to keep it from reeling through the tip...a suggestion is using a sinker slide in front of the swivel, obviously without the sinker pin, just the slide...it works and no blues will nip at it, a bead works also and a knot from braid to mono is even better

Mike Oliver · 09-03-2007, 07:45 AM

Hopkins and Holloway do a Diamite all metal tip. But whilst you wont be changing it regular becuase you is knocking out an insert you will have to change any metal tip regular due to groving.
If you can't gauge when your swivel is about to come into the tip top then a small rubber or at a pinch plastic bead may help but it is a cop out. Or why not use a knot to knot leader connection. We all reel in our swivels from time to time. But it's at what speed you do it and when you do, how you free it that will have the biggest effect on wether you bust the insert or not. Maybe if you shorten your leader it may help to. This aint rocket science.

Mike

Tagger · 09-03-2007, 08:01 AM

If its a surf rod your using ,, get use to casting with a longer drop . Feels weird at first but ,increases your distance once you get your swing down ..

jimmy z · 09-03-2007, 08:30 AM

I got a Rodzilla from Zim a couple of years back. The tip guide was oversized.
I use those Spro swivels as well, the inline ones.
BTW, their bucktails catch woeld record fluke.

Also awareness is the key. I fish at night and I just know where the swivel is.

oldgoat · 09-03-2007, 09:11 AM

try using a small chip of leather above the swivel. batter still get rid of the swivel

Shaky · 09-03-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Oliver

Hopkins and Holloway do a Diamite all metal tip. But whilst you wont be changing it regular becuase you is knocking out an insert you will have to change any metal tip regular due to groving.
If you can't gauge when your swivel is about to come into the tip top then a small rubber or at a pinch plastic bead may help but it is a cop out. Or why not use a knot to knot leader connection. We all reel in our swivels from time to time. But it's at what speed you do it and when you do, how you free it that will have the biggest effect on wether you bust the insert or not. Maybe if you shorten your leader it may help to. This aint rocket science.

Mike

Been doing some looking up. SiC is the third hardest substance known to man. Tungsten carbide can't be too far behind. Diamite or diamonite is not as hard a tungsten carbide.

I'm old school, but don't they still use carbide in the line rollers on reels? I know it's brittle, but in forty years I've probably only broken one and I dropped that on the rocks. Can't say that I've broken any tips with a swivel and my eyesight sucks at night so I'm doing it all the time. Carbide tip is solid, no insert. If braid can cut through carbide that's another reason I won't use it, too nasty.

Handle every situation like a dog ....
If you can't Eat it or Screw it ,
Piss on it and Walk Away.

Mike Oliver · 09-03-2007, 09:52 AM

Shakey,

Don't know the answer to your question. All I knows is you do have to offer some fairly serious abuse to chip even a very hard Sic insert. Small swivels are nearly as likey to bust the tip top as is a big one.
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