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Old 11-08-2009, 05:51 PM Reply With Quote #136
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Not to belabor the Healthcare part of all this, but just read a good article by the good Judge:

by Andrew Napolitano
- FOXNews.com
- November 06, 2009
Kiss Your Freedoms Goodbye If Health Care Passes


Congress recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights. If this health care bill becomes law, America, life as you have known it, freedom as you have exercised it and privacy as you have enjoyed it will cease to be.

Tomorrow, the House of Representatives will vote on a 2,000 page bill to give the federal government the power to micromanage the health care of every single American. The bill will no doubt pass. It will raise your taxes, steal your freedom, invade your privacy, and ration your health care.

Even the Republicans have introduced their version of Obamacare Lite. It, too, if passed, will compel employers to provide coverage, bribe the states to change their court rules, and tell insurance companies whom to insure.
We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We have one party; called the Big Government Party.

The Republican wing likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your freedoms.

Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom. Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of some faceless bureaucrat.

When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--, he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it doesn't even read the laws it writes.

America, this is not an academic issue. If this health care bill becomes law, life as you have known it, freedom as you have exercised it, privacy as you have enjoyed it, will cease to be.
When Congress takes away our freedoms, they will be gone forever. What will you do to prevent this from happening?

Judge Andrew Napolitano is Fox News Channel's senior judicial analyst.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:40 PM Reply With Quote #137
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and moonbat, you trying to poo poo dissent here doesnt make much sense. I encourage dissent in all forms especially against an ever growing oppressive government. Scream it in any way you can i say.
much of what goes for dissent here is really preaching to the choir, therefore, it is full of sound and fury...
Old 11-08-2009, 09:42 PM Reply With Quote #138
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Hyperbole and victimhood You speak as though the people of the US, while trying to eek out a decent living, chose to become oppressed by this Tyrannical Gov't.! And do ya think for a minute people REALLY want to have to physically fight the Gov't. and Laws for their Freedom???

People just want the Gov't. to run as it should.....not keep growing into the ever-oppressing BLOB that it is becoming....living in LUXURY off the Sweat of our Brows and telling us how much we have to pay in taxes so they can live large!!!

The more you type.....the more I think you are a Gov't. watchmen.....collecting a nice check to monitor the net and spread dissension among the masses!!! In Ten pages of History on your Post History.....not one post of Fishing
well, we keep voting for the same weasels after all, so we must like oppression.
Old 11-08-2009, 09:46 PM Reply With Quote #139
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That's a simplistic rosy picture your painting.
Doesn't work that way in real life.
What happens when the Government is not civil?
What happens with Martial law implementation, where there is no Constitution to back up your civility?

Seems your busy playing a disingenuous victim card. The hyperbole your using and hiding behind is the Gandhi card. I've read it on multiple threads.
Nice loophole your trying to exploit but I think some are on to you

Last I checked, we kinda have freedom of speech still, and discussing the government takeover of our freedoms qualifies as dissent. You may be disobeying the government at this very moment and are on a list, as key words are used to track speech at this very moment on a large scale.

So risking imprisonment is your acceptable form of dissent?
What of a family? Does the father need to go to jail, expressing his displeasure with the government, endangering and no longer providing for his family, and ripple down the line?

Sorry, but a laughable point. One too many Gandhi researches made me thinks.

On the question, are you for or against the trainwreck of the Government Insurance takeover?
Even Gandhi I'm sure wouldn't hide behind his skirt and not answer that one simply.
Whatever happens, it will not dictate for me how much or how little freedom I have. But you have a different definition, and that's fine.
Old 11-08-2009, 09:58 PM Reply With Quote #140
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much of what goes for dissent here is really preaching to the choir, therefore, it is full of sound and fury...
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well, we keep voting for the same weasels after all, so we must like oppression.
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Whatever happens, it will not dictate for me how much or how little freedom I have. But you have a different definition, and that's fine.
So it looks like the BS meter is pretty much at 100%.
Troll away as your hiding behind your Gandhi skirt.
Enough time wasted here trying to answer your prompts. Your good at prompting but not at the finish. Enjoy your game.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:03 PM Reply With Quote #141
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well, we keep voting for the same weasels after all, so we must like oppression.
I can't dispute that.....but I truly don't think the average American that voted for Obama thought for a minute that what is happening now......is what he meant when he said "we are 5 days away from fundamentally transforming the Untied States of America".................and don't say I'm Obama bashing......because I can point out serious points of damage done to the Freedoms of the US Citizens in EVERY President......Democrat and Republican!!! Now more than ever.....it's hard to see a REAL difference between the Parties!

It's all part of the plan.......... kinda like Jenga........keep pluggin' away at it till it falls.....then replace it with what you've wanted all along........"the Perfect Master Gov't."
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:23 PM Reply With Quote #142
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So it looks like the BS meter is pretty much at 100%.
Troll away as your hiding behind your Gandhi skirt.
Enough time wasted here trying to answer your prompts. Your good at prompting but not at the finish. Enjoy your game.
Not a game. I am dead serious. I live a free man, not one born into bondage.
I prefer standing out front with my Throeau rucksack as he predates Gandhi.

But believe whatever, and continue being enamored of victimhood. Your life not mine.

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