Due to

[Surfmaster250]

BS out of control and clogging a good website with thrash and listening to woreds Billy 40 typed here a while back. I will not share any info anymore and I know others now who feel the same and others who already don't. It's a shame really at least to me! Hey maybe most of you will be happy I won't post. I not saying I won't be here or on here but sharing any thing..... Not going to happen! Like so many other things in life BS always gets in the way!! Thanks for
This what you wanted.. Hellrhay?? Tool Bag...

[tacpayne]

I for one think this is complete and total BS. Since a mod started teh personal attacks its ok to do this now? I have seen threads shut down for far less than what happend in the previous threads. I dont know what you guys agenda is, but you are ruining this website. In the short time I have been a member here I have seen less and less posts from respected rodbuilders due to this type of Childish crap. Its just like im in effing high school again adn someone knocked your favorite shoes. Suck it up and move on. HellRhay, youve been trying to suck him in this since the MHX thread, I guess you succeeded. Funny thing is you act like he is taking your business becuase you use Batson products, when I know for a fact that he has praised them before, for their strict quality control. I havent ever read him knocking batson, just other chinese products.I like hearing the other options out there, Im new to this craft and have a lot to learn. I know a lot of people that wont post here becuase of the elitist BS attitudes that some of these guys have.Its a shame because they are some of the best builders around, that wont post here because of junk like this.

[TimS]

Forum leaders are also individuals, please don't assume that anything they write is somehow magically approved and appropriate, they get pissed off sometimes, they cross the line sometimes, there's no little red light that goes off here when one of them does that. If you have a problem with a post - any post - click the 'report post' button and please let me know about it. That's the only way things like this get rectified. They don't get rectified by vague PMs without links or examples - and they don't get rectified by post announcing that you are leaving - report the posts and we'll do everything we can to address the issues before it gets to the point of people not feeling welcome here.

Thank you in advance.

TimS

[looney tunes]

Looks like I missed something. Can anybody direct me to the firestorm? or is it already deleted?

Never mind, found it.

[Saltheart]

Originally Posted by tacpayne

Since a mod started teh personal attacks its ok to do this now? .

I didn't start this! Log Cabin says "he loves that lami action" and his blank choice is based on wanting the lami action. Surfmaster tells him he and other Lami users and recommenders don't know what they are doing because they have not done their homework and that they don't use lamis for their action but because they want to part of the "I use one crowd".

Log Cabin , me and many others who use and like and recommend Lamis were told we don't know what we are doing because we haven't "done our homework" and that we are on an ego trip (his word in a later post) and posers because we are part of the "I use one crowd".

I then respond saying he doesn't have the experience "3 year wonder boy" to make comments like we "haven't done our homework" and that when he says "Honestly" we are part of the "I Use one drowd" I say "Honestly , you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about". That's not starting the attacks? It rebuttle to the derogatory things he was the first to post.

In addition to defending myself and others who are lami fans , I listed several concrete reasons why I like them such as variety , warrantee , availability and I offered my opinion that breakage reports are to be expected more often relative to a company that sells so many more blanks than others and that its a numbers thing , not a quality issue. These are constructive opinions that anyone who has used and built on Lami products for a long period of time would agree with.

So that's my view on my posts and other peoples posts in response to Surfmaster.

As far as the spamming comments go , I didn't post that. I did see Hallray edit his strongest commenst out on his own without any moderator involvement which I thought was reasonable on his part. Yes he did say he thinks Surfmaster250 is often spamming with his blank comment but he said it in a reasonable manner and I think he's entitled to voice that opinion in response to someone often saying the offshore blanks he's using are junk. I also think there may be some justification of the spamming comments and that Surfmaster over pushing his Seeker blanks on Log Cabin is what started this whole mess. I can't help but wonder if there may be some business motivation behind such an aggressive pushing of a particular blank brand.

Now anything that was said in that thread after post 27 and these new threads that were started were unknown to me until I logged in this afternoon. It would be nice to have the time to ride the board all day long and read every post within minutes of when its posted but I don't have the luxury of being able to do that. Now that there are other threads refering to what was said on the original thread and Tim has made some comments about two of the threads , it would really be confusing to people if I were to go back and do some moderator editing at this point so I won't.

Now I'm not saying I'm a saint and as Tim points out , in addition to being a moderator I'm also a person with my own opinions. But in this particular case , I think I'm not guilty and that the guy pointing his finger at many others is in fact the guy who started this thing down the wrong path.

I also think that compared to some internet fishing board brewhas I've seen , this is just a bump in the road. I've seen some that get the point of people making appointments to meet at high noon for a shoot out! Maybe someone is a little oversensitive to what was said and again , I can;t help but wonder why.

[Rustyjigz]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

I didn't start this! Log Cabin says "he loves that lami action" and his blank choice is based on wanting the lami action. Surfmaster tells him he and other Lami users and recommenders don't know what they are doing because they have not done their homework and that they don't use lamis for their action but because they want to part of the "I use one crowd".

Log Cabin , me and many others who use and like and recommend Lamis were told we don't know what we are doing because we haven't "done our homework" and that we are on an ego trip (his word in a later post) and posers because we are part of the "I use one crowd".

I then respond saying he doesn't have the experience "3 year wonder boy" to make comments like we "haven't done our homework" and that when he says "Honestly" we are part of the "I Use one drowd" I say "Honestly , you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about". That's not starting the attacks? It rebuttle to the derogatory things he was the first to post.

In addition to defending myself and others who are lami fans , I listed several concrete reasons why I like them such as variety , warrantee , availability and I offered my opinion that breakage reports are to be expected more often relative to a company that sells so many more blanks than others and that its a numbers thing , not a quality issue. These are constructive opinions that anyone who has used and built on Lami products for a long period of time would agree with.

So that's my view on my posts and other peoples posts in response to Surfmaster.

As far as the spamming comments go , I didn't post that. I did see Hallray edit his strongest commenst out on his own without any moderator involvement which I thought was reasonable on his part. Yes he did say he thinks Surfmaster250 is often spamming with his blank comment but he said it in a reasonable manner and I think he's entitled to voice that opinion in response to someone often saying the offshore blanks he's using are junk. I also think there may be some justification of the spamming comments and that Surfmaster over pushing his Seeker blanks on Log Cabin is what started this whole mess. I can't help but wonder if there may be some business motivation behind such an aggressive pushing of a particular blank brand.

Now anything that was said in that thread after post 27 and these new threads that were started were unknown to me until I logged in this afternoon. It would be nice to have the time to ride the board all day long and read every post within minutes of when its posted but I don't have the luxury of being able to do that. Now that there are other threads refering to what was said on the original thread and Tim has made some comments about two of the threads , it would really be confusing to people if I were to go back and do some moderator editing at this point so I won't.

Now I'm not saying I'm a saint and as Tim points out , in addition to being a moderator I'm also a person with my own opinions. But in this particular case , I think I'm not guilty and that the guy pointing his finger at many others is in fact the guy who started this thing down the wrong path.

I also think that compared to some internet fishing board brewhas I've seen , this is just a bump in the road. I've seen some that get the point of people making appointments to meet at high noon for a shoot out! Maybe someone is a little oversensitive to what was said and again , I can;t help but wonder why.

You are a racist lamiglas guy!

[tacpayne]

Saltheart, your right you didnt start this. you took a jab at SM250 and it was window enough for everyone else to let their crap out. I didnt take his posts as meaning that guys who fish lami's dont have a clue, but apparently at least a couple of you guys did.

[Billy 40]

Having had more internet fights with the majority of people posting here combined multiplied by 3, I'll just say that it's only a computer screen. If you let it be it will blow over and nobody will remember or care.

[Rustyjigz]

Originally Posted by Billy 40

Having had more internet fights with the majority of people posting here combined multiplied by 3, I'll just say that it's only a computer screen. If you let it be it will blow over and nobody will remember or care.

Yeah I used to think B40 was a J/O... I still do, but a nice J/O!

[Surfmaster250]

Doesn't matter who started what.. It's stupid!! It's a computer screen like Billy said and it's about fishing rods..! I figured it easier to step off then to have Hell Rhay go around like a jerk off to the main forum and start posting C rap about me and disturbing all. There is no place for any off it on here I know that. I'm not really mad at Saltheart. But I think that by defending Lamiglas as hard as they did proved the point I was trying to make! I'm more mad at the situation and Hellrhay then Saltheart!!

I don't hate Lamiglas, I use some Lamiglas, I have recommened to people Lamiglas, I have never bashed anyone for using,Buying, or talking about Lamiglas! I have no affiliation with any rod company.. wish I did.. but I don't! The post I made was no different then a few that are going on right now on this website.. But!! I was the one pointed out! HellRhay just made it worse and I addmitt after the words we had a few weeks ago I was ready to lay him out and it took alot not to!!

So again,, I'm not saying I'll never post again. But the sharing info.. not going to happen! Not worth the effort. This is a fine site.. maybe the best of the fishing sites and it doesn't need drama.. it has enough already!

Too Saltheart.. I'm sorry and no bad! Too Hellrhay.. stay out of my way!!

[Saltheart]

Group Hug

[lamiloomiland]

Group Hug...

Novice like me value and really appreciate all the information and post from all the experienced members. I am an addict to this site because of all of you. I read and take in all the information and form my own opinion. Everyone is entitle to their own .02

Please.... Group hug, and let's all be friend.

My .02 maybe only .015

[HellRhaY]

Originally Posted by Surfmaster250

Well Rhay,if they are made by Lamiglas then you know their junk! Breakage should be the call on these. That wouldn't happen with a Seeker!!

no bashing here...no aggressive pushing of a blank manu here

Originally Posted by Surfmaster250

Hellrhay, For some reason just snickers.. Yet with all the posts you have in such a short time like what 4000 something in 2 years??.. do you ever fish or have time to build?? You build some very nice stuff (thanks)don't get me wrong.. But you for some reason like to bust balls!!

i stayed out of that thread, i laguhed at Salt's posts but stayed out of that thread and you ahd to call me out and drag me in, i offered you to have a conversation privately but you preferred to ahve it in public so everyone can see how brave you are by calling me names.

Originally Posted by Surfmaster250

HellRhay just made it worse and I addmitt after the words we had a few weeks ago I was ready to lay him out and it took alot not to!!

lay it out i can take it, you obviously can't take it if you get called out by your aggressive advertising.

Originally Posted by Saltheart

I also think there may be some justification of the spamming comments and that Surfmaster over pushing his Seeker blanks on Log Cabin is what started this whole mess. I can't help but wonder if there may be some business motivation behind such an aggressive pushing of a particular blank brand.

i also wonder why such an aggressive campaign and calling china made blanks, crap this and crap that.


lets lay it out.
i called you out for your aggressive pushing of a certain blank and calling china made blanks crap. I was wrong about you spamming, i would've never thought you didn't work for seeker.

some florida guys who wants to see some of my work, i refer them here since i have some rods in the crosswrap pics. i was building 2 rainshadow 8' ers and 3 7'ers. the guys backed out of it and had me get different manu blank, base on the reason that they are china made crap and are junk, he said he read it in this forum. I carry $3500 worht of rainshadow blanks since if you get into that program you'll get 65% off retail. i fiugred who else has been bashing china blanks other than you, i didn't call you out on it, i tried to be nice but i dont know how to say it, so i tried ribbing and poking. Don't you think you are hurting me by your continuous bashing of china made blanks? Based on your bashing china made blanks, you're taking away food from my mouth and the mouth of my family.
You ask about my 4000 posts, how i have time to fish and build rods. I lost my job 4 years ago to an offshore company. I supplement my wife's income by building rods and making jigs.

i dont make threats or call you names, but if you want to settle your beef with me in a manly manner, face to face, i'd be in high point rather than calling people names in the internet dont you think?

i would have preferred for this conversation to be in private, but you refused and says you ahve nothing to say to me then starts a thread and drag my name on it again.

[Surfmaster250]

Originally Posted by HellRhaY

no bashing here...no aggressive pushing of a blank manu here


i stayed out of that thread, i laguhed at Salt's posts but stayed out of that thread and you ahd to call me out and drag me in, i offered you to have a conversation privately but you preferred to ahve it in public so everyone can see how brave you are by calling me names.


lay it out i can take it, you obviously can't take it if you get called out by your aggressive advertising.

i also wonder why such an aggressive campaign and calling china made blanks, crap this and crap that.


lets lay it out.
i called you out for your aggressive pushing of a certain blank and calling china made blanks crap. I was wrong about you spamming, i would've never thought you didn't work for seeker.

some florida guys who wants to see some of my work, i refer them here since i have some rods in the crosswrap pics. i was building 2 rainshadow 8' ers and 3 7'ers. the guys backed out of it and had me get different manu blank, base on the reason that they are china made crap and are junk, he said he read it in this forum. I carry $3500 worht of rainshadow blanks since if you get into that program you'll get 65% off retail. i fiugred who else has been bashing china blanks other than you, i didn't call you out on it, i tried to be nice but i dont know how to say it, so i tried ribbing and poking. Don't you think you are hurting me by your continuous bashing of china made blanks? Based on your bashing china made blanks, you're taking away food from my mouth and the mouth of my family.
You ask about my 4000 posts, how i have time to fish and build rods. I lost my job 4 years ago to an offshore company. I supplement my wife's income by building rods and making jigs.

i dont make threats or call you names, but if you want to settle your beef with me in a manly manner, face to face, i'd be in high point rather than calling people names in the internet dont you think?

i would have preferred for this conversation to be in private, but you refused and says you ahve nothing to say to me then starts a thread and drag my name on it again.

I told you to stay out of my way... even if it has me thrown off of this site!! Your a Effing usless Tit that really gives nothing to any of the posts here. Your posts about ZB on the main forum are just you sticking you head into someone elses BS.. You don't contribute Jack *****. I'd be willing to say that alot of people on this site could do without you very well!!

I want people to see how you act.. so I don't speak to you in private and I wouldn't spit on you.. You drug my Name into a post I had no intention of posting in on the main page.. That was the last draw for me!! Go eff your self.. and if you think your man enough to show your face at Highpoint this year ... Do It!!

Point out what ever you want.. cripes I'm surprised it took you so long to search for that stuff since your on here all Effing day and night! I may not be liked but your a effing loser!! Mister 4000+ in two years ... Loser!!

I'll defend my stand on Chinese made stuff.. This is MY country and I would rather see someone in this country make the money and feed their family.. I really don't care about the chinese gov. or policies that rule over the factorys there they could all go out of buisness. Nothing against the Chinese people.. But Americans are more important... since this is where I live!! So I support American companys and suggest others to do the same!! Just so we don't all starve!! I'm not the one who put my faith in to offshore made Rainshadows.. If you lost your job to an off shore company... why are you buying foreign made products?? Am I supposed to feel bad??
You better come up with stuff better then that you F^$% Stik! Now I'm done with you.. show at Highpoint and I'll really finish the conversation!!

Again Saltheart and TimS I'm sorry but I reached the point with this guy so If I must be thrown off.. so be it!!

[BrianBM]

Surfmaster, simmer down, OK? C'mon.