jps1010

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    Creator of cell phone app called the Fisherman's Mobile Weigh Station.
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    Promoting catch & release
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    Sr. Business Mgr.

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  1. Well, isn't that wonderful. I'm being sarcastic. When does that vote take place and what are the chances it passes there? The current atmosphere we are in, I'm thinking it probably will pass. I'm not for more regulation but without it, we will continue to over fish what ever is out there. They should be doing more, not less to protect it.
  2. I don't see it. I don't fish too far from there and in 2013 we had a pretty decent run of keeper plus sized fish on Sand Eels for a few weeks. 2014 wasn't terrible but wasn't as good as the year before. That has been the trend I have seen over the past few years. Each year there are fewer/smaller fish around. I agree with you there. I think the problem is these fisheries are managed to take the most amount of fish when it should be managed for abundance. The more fish that are around, the more everyone can enjoy in it. We lived this argument in the 80s when some said there wasn't a problem, others said it pollution, others said it was the Cormorants, etc when the real problem was nothing more than overfishing. Fast forward to present, you have years of poor YOY recruitment while maintaining the current 2 @ 28 level, the recs have no cap, what do we think is going to happen? You can think of it as a business. You own a business and have less money coming for a number of years (low YOY) but you still have the same amount of expenses (2 @ 28"). Static expenses with less money coming equates to less fish around. Id guarantee if this was 10 years ago we wouldn't be having this conversation.
  3. Yeah, make sense and for the most part is inline with what I have experienced. Thanks.
  4. Thanks for your response. I agree there is just a lot less of them around then there used to be, especially when I remember fishing for them as a kid in the 80s. I was talking to a friend of mine a couple of years ago about this saying that there is a problem here especially when so many high teens to over 20lb Blues are being caught. That is more or less an anomaly and not the norm as compared to the past. In my experience that tells me there is a lot less small fish around which enables the bigger, slower, maybe even less aggressive fish to get to your bait whereas it normally wouldn't. I said a few years ago the Striped Bass record would be broken because of this and sure it enough it was. Coincidence, lucky guesses on my part? Neither. I grew fishing in the 80s and witnessed firsthand what happens when you have declining fish stocks. Out of curiosity, what is your take on the Striped Bass? I got into a whole discussion on a NJ forum about how they believe NJ beach replenishment destroyed their Bass fishing. I told them I fish on the SS of LI and they haven't done anything to the beaches I fish for years, yet the fishing for Bass and Blues and has been pretty horrible for several years now. Most of the guys there are convinced there are other factors at play which are responsible for the steep decline of the fishing in those waters. I heard excuses like the winds; lack of bait, the littoral something or other, etc. I don't doubt other things come into play here but for the most part, I believe it’s just a lot less fish around then there were 10 years ago. Your thoughts?
  5. I had work as well but I did write them about it and told them I thought it was a bad idea. I don't buy it for a minute that all the fish are offshore, beach replenishment keeps them from coming in to shore, taxes are too high for the fish so they bypass LI, etc. By any chance do you know why do they hold these meetings when most people work? Why can't they hold them in the evenings so people can attend?
  6. Unfortunately, I really don't have much time to spend on this but I did glance at some of the responses and will provide my feedback. Its obvious to me some of you haven't been fishing that long or at the very least, did not experience what some of us have in the 80s. At that time, the early 80s were still pretty good, then things got really bad mid to late 80s and then things really start to look up in the early 90s. Things started to improve only after a moratorium and stricter bag limits were implemented. In short, what saved the fishery was they killed less Bass. This is what we need to have happen here for all of us to enjoy a healthy fishery again. But you know what, don't take my word for it. Zeno, Bill Wetzel, Rich Troxler have said very similar things. As a matter of fact, I remember back in 2010 give or take a similar discussion was being had on another website where Rich, myself and a few others were saying there were problems with the fishery and people jumped all over us for that saying we had no idea what we were talking but yet here we are now talking about the very poor fishing we have had in our local waters for some time now. A lot of you are making this more complex than it really is. If my computer doesn't work, 9 times out of 10 I reboot it and its fine. I don't blame the BIOS, motherboard, circuits, hard drive, etc on the problem. What I am saying its really a simple problem to fix. Kill less fish. I'll try to illustrate my point before I have to jump off. I live on a small private lake that is loaded with Carp. Every single time I go down to my dock, there has to be around a dozen fish sunning themselves or swimming around looking for a meal. Now if they were to open it up to the public and allow a lot of people to fish for them, I can guarantee I will not be seeing a dozen Carp next to my dock. Depending how much pressure they put on it, I will probably see a third of the fish each time I go down to it. This isn't any different from what happens in the ocean. Guess what, those acres of fish you see offshore, you continue to take them and those big schools you seen now will disappear as they have on our local beaches. Like I said before, I will say it again, the problem is simple, we kill too many fish which I believe most of you would agree on so I suggest each of you contact the ASMFC, Governors, your state reps, etc. and express your concern. That is the only way this will ever change.
  7. Okay, that's more like it. I didn't think you had it in you. I'm happy to discuss but have to keep this somewhat brief. I'm eating my lunch at work and now have school work I need to get to. I shared the excerpt below in an early response which proves there was less Bunker around back then which is why they imposed the reductions. See below. "Because the ASMFC’s 2010 assessment concluded that Atlantic menhaden was experiencing overfishing, some conservation, fishing and other organizations began urging the Commission to impose new harvest restrictions, and the ASMFC began the process of drafting new catch limits.[22] This culminated the development of Amendment 2 to the menhaden Fishery Management Plan that established a total allowable catch (TAC) of 170,800 metric tons (376,549,544 pounds), effectively reducing the coastwide harvest by 20 percent compared to average landings from 2009-2011." The reason why I share my experience is because I am not some scientist that sits behind a desk and makes assumptions off of various analyses that have been conducted. I'm actually out there and have been for 40 years. Maybe it was a typo on my behalf but I don't have the time to go back to check so I will clarify. Having lots of fish in one location does not equate to a healthy population of fish. A healthy population of fish is one that is spread out to many locations. Yours, mine, up north, south, etc. Why do you think there was such a good fishery in the mid 2000s by NC? As far as beach replenishment, it certainly doesn't help but its not the main culprit here. If beach replenishment is, why does it suck my me too? How do I know, again my experience. I grew up fishing Jbay. The water back then was filthy. There were times it stunk and all sorts women's hygiene products would float by me. But in the early 90s when the Bass started to rebound, we did great. So what I am saying is the main culprit isn't so much the beach or the water quality but in this case the fact there is a lot less Bass around. If this was 10- years ago I would guarantee you would have plenty of action on your beaches as they are now.
  8. Yeah, it does. You're telling me I have no idea what I am talking about. I explained how I was able to come to these conclusions. How are you able to come to yours? It does? How so? I've done quite a bit of explaining and tried have a meaningful conversation about the topic which is more than I can say for you.
  9. It's all of us. None of us are killing it anymore because there are simply a lot less fish around. The comms take is pretty static so they are not the main cause. It's the recs (charter boats, party boats, recreational boaters, and yes us too). As a matter of fact, Tim's explanation on an old thread covered this.
  10. I'm unintelligent because I said there are a lot less fish around and its not so much because of beach replenishment? My beach wasn't touched but there has been a lot less fish around for a number of years now. Look at any chart and it will confirm exactly that. As a matter of fact, I said the fishery was going to be in trouble when they went to 2 at 28" years ago. I also said the fishery was declining even when fishing was still good up until a few years ago because I had noticed a change in which I based off of my 40 years of experience, my education and past experience working as a systems analyst. It is this combination of firsthand experience/education/job that has enabled me the ability to come to a conclusion when certain factors are present. E.g. I remember a few years ago the majority of the fish I was catching were around keeper size. I was happy but also concerned because there weren't many small ones around. Guess what, my concerns were valid. A few years later those bigger fish are no longer around and I was only getting action with rats that were few and far between. So tell me, how is any of this stupid? What's your experience? Did you fish in the 80s when there were hardly any Bass around? Why don't you offer something more than a childish tit for tat response and add something constructive that others can maybe learn from? What are you doing to help the fishery? I've been doing plenty, part of which is trying to share my experience with others so they can address the main culprit which has been primarily overfishing.
  11. I'm really not looking to belabor this, especially on this thread, but I will respond. I fish SS Long Island. I grew up fishing Jbay. Here's an excerpt from a quick search. Because the ASMFC’s 2010 assessment concluded that Atlantic menhaden was experiencing overfishing, some conservation, fishing and other organizations began urging the Commission to impose new harvest restrictions, and the ASMFC began the process of drafting new catch limits.[22] This culminated the development of Amendment 2 to the menhaden Fishery Management Plan that established a total allowable catch (TAC) of 170,800 metric tons (376,549,544 pounds), effectively reducing the coastwide harvest by 20 percent compared to average landings from 2009-2011.[ Just because one place has a lot of something, doesn't mean all is well. Fish should be spread out and not pockets of fish. Cape Cod has done very well over the past few years so does that mean there isn't an issue? They had something similar at Block Island in the 80s and most know how that turned out.
  12. Oh yeah, that's an intelligent response. Right back at ya. In my waters, I don't know about yours, there was less bunker around. Apparently I wasn't the only who thought that because they later imposed restrictions in the harvest.
  13. I will say this much, if there was a moratorium for the next 5 years, do you still think all of those fish would be offshore? You don't have to answer. Its a rhetorical question. Agreed. There is a place and thread for this and this isn't it. I'm sure this will come up again and we can continue our discussion at that time. Good chatting with you.
  14. I've heard the same thing from others I know. But when there is more fish around, you have them both inshore and offshore (what you stated above). Less fish around, they are going to contract to most being offshore. If you have years of poor recruitment which we have had for the most part, and you don't reduce the number of fish being taken, your going to have less fish around. Also keep in mind, the recs have no cap outside of the size limits and the number of fish one can take a day. But I, as well as many others can still take 1 fish per day, in some places 2, every single day. This ads up and can lead to overfishing which is why I believe the fishing has been so bad. To better illustrate my point, back 2009 or 2010 or so we didn't have that many Bunker around. The ones we had were peanuts which I never saw as a kid. We always had tons of big adults. The powers that be finally realized the importance of them and that they were being overfished and after restrictions were imposed, all of a sudden I am seeing more and larger bunker than I had seen in years. That's not a coincidence.
  15. Then what explains the poor fishing in my waters? Over the past few years there has been plenty of bait. The structure has changed but then again it constantly changes because its the open beach with no hard structure. So for the past number of years all of the fish have decided to stay offshore for one reason or another? Or does it have to do with population expansion and contraction? The more fish that are around, the more places they will be. The less fish that are around, the less places they will be. So its another coincidence up until a few years ago we both were experiencing good fishing? I've already been down this path and used to have a similar argument with my father when I was a young kid fishing in the 80s. I argued with him that fishing wasn't that bad and there had to be another reason why the fish weren't there when they should have been and he proved me wrong. We used to have abbreviated seasons (only a few weeks here and there in the Spring and Fall) with only small Bass. The moratorium comes and stricter laws thereafter and now those same water we regularly fished were holding teen size plus fish for months at a time and not a few weeks here and there. This isn't a coincidence nor is not rocket science. These fish simply cannot reproduce as fast as we take them. We've proven that time and time again. From what I understand Sturgeon were fairly common a long time ago and one could even catch Cod off of the surf. Look what happened to them. The less fish that are around, the less places they will be which in this case happen to be my beach and yours.