FlatWing

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  1. )Actually, the only stainless that is magnetic due to the inclusion of ferrite (i.e., iron) is ferritic SS, and with the exception of 316 SS, the 400 series SS (see chart in pdf) document is more corrosion resistant. The most corrosion resistant and highest strength SS is magnetic, and it is 17-4PH, which gets it magnetisim not from the inclusion of magnetic metals, but from the fact that its micro structure is the result of the precipitate hardening that gives it its strength. Note that even austenitic SS, if cold worked enough, (i.e, bent to shape, threads rolled, etc.) can form martensitic microstructure.
  2. NJ: I have a 6500 C3CT Mag that was my short field (OTG and Pendulum cast) form practice (for tournaments) reel - It has Ceramic ABEC 7 bearings with both side plates removed, and 4 stock ABU magnets in the carrier (+ - + -). I just checked, and with dry bearings, the full off magnet spin time is 30 seconds and the full on magnet spin time is 4 seconds (reel is loaded with 8 lb Suffix Siege mono. I rather suspect that your reel, with stock bearings and yellow rocket fuel, will be quite manageable. Also, I do not have any brake blocks installed - I believe it was Neil Mackellow who recommended 1 brake block for fishing. If you find the magnets hard to remove from your carrier, let me know... I have several that are already removed, and I can mike them for you so you order the correct size. Last I checked, ABU does not sell individual magnets, only the fully loaded carriage. I've never ordered from Apex, but I have Lee Valley mags from 2005 that have held up very well.
  3. Actually, that's not true. Only Austenitic Stainless steel is non magnetic - see attached file. Stainless Steel Magnetism.pdf
  4. frazerp: I do use braid, but only on my VS's, Diawa LC and Shimano LC Spinners, as well as my plugging conventionals, which are mostly CS reels. I just don't like having to protect my thumb in order to lay line on my bait fishing conventionals. Even though I converted my Crack and Luxor 300's to use a Penn 706Z manual pickup line roller when I drilled out the flyer and spool and sealed the flyer, the vintage of the reels pre-dates braid by decades, so I figure better safe than sorry. I pack these old-time spinners with Dow Corning 33 Extreme Low Temperature Synthetic Bearing Grease, and they are my end of the year surf plugging reels that never, unlike the VS's, stiffen up in the biting cold. Attached a few pictures. 1st 3 are Crack 300, last 3 are Luxor 300. Notice the line lay, which does not require "humping" the line while filling the spool. BTW, power handle knob is for a VS200/250, installed on the original arm, after it was tapped.
  5. I spent several days pondering whether to reply to Otshawytsha's obnoxiously absurd reply, since I learned from a retired Army Master Sergeant the following words of wisdom - "Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". That being said, I make the following points: At age 58+, and possessing only a flip-up phone, I have never learned to Photo Shop, nor do I need to resort to such subterfuge to make a fact-based point. I am amazed that Otshawytsha is so wizened as to know the contour of my bathroom sink, and can thus self-righteously conclude that my pictures dishonestly show the Flatwings being held in position by the hook point touching the bottom of my sink. Try taking a look at the pictures where the Fly is over the drain - if you think a 4/0 hook can touch the bottom of the sink there, then you have no idea of the gap size of a 4/0 hook. Either Otshawytsha once again replied without actually absorbing the contents of my post/images, or he is so intent on proving my dishonesty that he simply cherry picks items that he considers close enough to validate his accusations and adds just enough smoke and mirrors to believe he has locked in his argument. One way or the other, if your only means of self validation is to hang out on this site looking to interject yourself for the sole purpose of accusing people you have never even met of plagiarism and deception, you really do have issues. Unlike Otshawytsha, I actually do know the depth of the water in my bathroom sink, I know the size of a 4/0 fly hook, I know how Flat Wing Flyes perform in the water, and I know that I do not need to validate myself by convincing Otshawytsha of anything relative to my fly fishing/tying practices. "Nuff said".
  6. Three day is the minimum, Calendar year is the better buy. IBSP website has fees. There are historically productive areas where you can opt to walk on, or are only allowed to walk on (Northern Nature Preserve).
  7. The mono I use on conventional reels is 14 or 15lb test for Suffix Neon Orange Siege or Neon Yellow Elite on my Penn 525 Mags, and 20lb test Momoi Hi-Catch in Neon Orange for my Shark reels (mono-magged ABU 7000C3CT and Diawa SL-X30SHA). On my Crack 300 and Luxor 300 Spinners I use either 15lb test Berkley Big Game or 15lb test Stren Magna Thin. Never get wind knots, and no trouble hitting 300+ feet with a clam or bunker chunk using a Hatteras Cast or Uni-Tech Cast (I use the latter when twisting into my prosthetic knee bothers me). Hope this helps.
  8. Don: I am currently dealing with health issues related to my permanent disabilities, and, unfortunately, since Nov 2016, my wife is also facing serious health issues, so I do not see myself being able to pursue the particulars of the field I passed on in Voorhees, NJ. Also, the field in question is farther away from me than the corn field we used to use in Marlton, NJ. The alternate field up the street was a dedicated field that served as a municipal park, with which we sometimes had to deal with somewhat oblivious folks walking their dogs onto the field, so I would be surprised if it no longer existed as part of the Municipal Park system in Marlton. The corn field was, at the time that we used it, posted as part of the open space preservation program at either the state of municipal level (likely the latter) which is why the municipal park had jurisdiction over its easement and use. Obviously, something changed in the easement, since, by definition, an open space preservation easement maintains a constant wildlife environment, with which harvesting is incompatible (think destruction of burrows, partridge nests, etc. by farming equipment). Before my disability retirement from the DoN (NAVAIR Lakehurst), I had pretty much secured the use of a field larger than SportCast requires on the McGuire AFB part of JBMDL (Joint Base McGuire-Dix Lakehurst). This would have been free, since DoD is not allowed to make a profit. According to Charlie P., the fact that all visitors to JBMDL would need to have US citizenship was a show stopper. After Hurricane Irene, and especially after Superstrom Sandy, and the resultant 50-year Army Corp of Engineers beach replenishment program, which promises to eradicate surf zone structure (jettys, troughs, holes and points) from Monmouth County south thru Cape May County, I thought there would be considerable interest in distance casting in NJ. Quite to the contrary, I find that most anglers I encounter in Ocean County are still adamant in their assertion that casting more than 40 feet is unnecessary, even though they follow on by stating that they only catch Schoolie Bass (i.e., those shorter than the minimum 28 inch length allowable for keeping). For this reason, I feel that any attempt to start a locally based Casting Club, even one that was focused on Fisherman Cast-A-Muck contests, would be an exercise in futility.
  9. You need to read a post a little more carefully before responding. My mentioning of the weight of the hook and bending of the hook WAS NOT in the context of how a Flatwing tracks, it was in the context of how Steve Ferrar got his Flash Bend Bunker flyes to track upright. Back to Flatwing tracking, and as a general note your apparent vitriol, vis-à-vis your regard of Flatwings and those of us who advocate the benefits of their use for catching fish on a fly. I find this a fascinating dichotomy in your posts on this subject, especially since your defending of Lyle's Jersey Coast Ghost as the original bomber imitation incorporated the use of the term Provenance, which, in my 50+ years of exposure to literature, I have only seen used in the context of the origin of collectible, and therefore valuable art and hand woven rugs of Middle Eastern and Far East origin. So enough on the subject of your somewhat strained relationship with the "Striper Moon Cult", and back to the discussion of whether the claims of Flatwings suspending is equivalent to the disproven claims of Transcendental Meditating monks that they could levitate.....Your less than subtle attack on my integrity is obviously based on your belief that I was attempting a subterfuge in my assertion that Flatwings suspend, as I was, as I stated, steadying the fly so as to achieve a focused picture with my Samsung flip up phone. So I attach the following images, taken just before I logged on, of Flatwings suspending in my bathroom sink filled with fresh water. Just for you in particular, the first 4 pictures are of the same fly, taken over a period of 6 minutes, untouched by me... I think suspending for 6 minutes, and changing orientation at the same time, might just qualify the SM cult members (and my) assertion, don't you think? The next pictures I took so as to "cover the spread" over flatwings from 3-feather to Razzle Dazzle to Squid Flyes. Note that all Flatwings in the pictures are tied on Eagle Claw 4/0 254 hooks (UNBENT). Enjoy, and by the way, I'm done with this thread, and do believe I will no longer choose to participate in any threads in which you insert your Boorish attitude.
  10. One of the "practice makes perfect" aspects of Flatwing tying, that will have the effect of causing the fly to suspend on its side, is that of the feathers not being aligned perpendicular to the bend in the hook, and/or having a twist in the shaft of the feather close to the base of the feather. The more feathers you stack, the larger the risk of this occurring becomes. I personally have found that I get better results if I dub another pillow onto the shank after installing 3 feathers with their accompanying flash. (This is a trick I picked up from Kenny A.). By the way, feathers with the aforementioned twist neeed not be discarded, but can be used for a shorter length tail by stripping the stem below the twist. I've seen a spun deer head fly that is basically a snake fly with the sided trimmed flat. Also, Enrico P. ties his EP Fiber flyes with only enough material on the sides to hide the hook, while like Steve Ferrar tying with his Flashblend, the top and bottom of the hook are hi-tied. These flyes track upright. I'm not sure what hook Enrico uses, but Steve bend the shank of a Mustad 34007. Pictures attached.
  11. If your Flatwings are exhibiting a lot of drag, then you are not making your collar sparse enough. A properly tied Flatwing will track hook point down using an Eagle Claw 253 or 254 hook. which is extremely light wire. This is a deliberate element in the fly design, as it is intended that these flyes (even the 7+ feather Razzle Dazzle and Squid Flyes) suspend in the water column, thus allowing them to be fished with a mended swing in the current, towards any bass that are finning, while facing into the current. Attached picture is that of a September Night Fly, and 2 variations of Rich Murphy's bomber suspending in fresh water, noting that in salt water it will ride higher, as the water density is higher - I had to lightly hold the Night Fly in order to get a clear picture..
  12. Sef: No matter what test braid or mono you use on a conventional heaver, for the safety of everyone around you, you must use a shock leader sized to 10lb test for every ounce of payload (sinker + bait). Those of us who also heave with LC spinners use the same formula Power Pro in lieu of mono. My personal preference for joining mono to mono is to double the main line with either a Bimini twist of a Spyder hitch, and then attach the mono shock leader with an 11 turn worm knot. To join mono to braid on a conventional, I splice the two lines together using Power Pro Hollow Ace of the same test as my mono shock leader (see video's on YouTube). For braid to braid, I use a Uni-Uni knot.
  13. I guess it's a safe bet that Sportcast USA will never again consider the inclusion of true NE casters, other than those who can afford to pay for "reasonably" priced hotel rooms, high gas prices and be capable of driving 10-13 hrs to cast on grass. Every time I see one of these I really miss the "inclusive" philosophy of Earl (RIP) and Bill H. I know the excuse that the field we used to use in Marlton is now a corn field, but besides the fact that I provided GPS to an alternate field in Vorhees years ago, without reply, and again last year (still without reply), some may recall that we used to use an alternate field right up the street from the one that is now a corn field. That field was part of the park, and I can see no reason to think it is no longer in existence. The obvious conclusion is the "directorship" of Sportcast USA feels the club has sufficient mid-Atlantic/South East membership to sustain itself, and conveniently forgets that the position of the leadership after Earl's death was that it was "our" club, not just the club of those not living in the NE. Just my $.02
  14. To set the record straight, Lyle's East Coast Ghost was intended to mimic the Bomber Profile, but used only 3 saddle hackles, and as such was structurally a "3 Feather Flatwing". Steve's "Bomber Flatwing incorporates 7 saddle hackles, and is therefore structurally at least a "Razzle Dazzle Flatwing" if not a "Squid Fly Flatwing". Accordingly, when properly fished (i.e., swung in a current, vice cast and stripped with the rod under the arm), Steve's Bomber must present a larger baitfish profile , both to fish positioned to see the side profile and to fish positioned below the fly, than Lyles East Coast Ghost. Incidentally, I have had excellent success with Lyles East Coast Ghost, tied to bait appropriate length, when sand eels, spearing, bay herring and other such bait are present. My most successful perturbations are Blurple (at Night), Black over Yellow Chartreuse at Dusk and Dawn, Olive over White, all White and Chartreuse over white in the daytime, with the latter excelling in murkier water.
  15. Ray's Fly, General Practioner Shrimp and Flatwings are not intended to be fished on modern, fast action rods that throw a 100ft (single hand) or 125ft (two hand) distance. My first rod specific to this task was Bobby Popovic's first 10ft 6in St. Croix Elite rod (the one without his signature). I bought this rod because it was the closest in performance I could find to Kenny's original "the Stick", did not cost $600.00, was three pieces (vice 2) and came with a lifetime warrantee. I made Bobby's rod perfect for me by internally modifying the clown butt so I could epoxy in a Large Stainless Steel Hex Head Bolt, which changed the balance point to the front edge of the fore-grip with my Ross Big Game 6 reel mounted. By today's standard, this rod is woefully parabolic, yet, IF I AM NOT fishing the "easily fouling flyes". I can shoot the entire line with a single double haul. Thing of it is, to minimize fouling of the flyes in question, you have to generate a softly (for lack of a better term) unrolling loop. so that the soft materials have time to straighten out. By the way, when hand nerve damage forced me to seek an alternate 2 hand rod for this style of fishing, I choose a (now defunct) TFO 12ft 6in 6wt spey rod with a Rio Spey line. Keep in mind that the flyes in question were not designed for super distance cast and under the arm stripping, but rather for Salmon based drift techniques such as the Greased Line Swing to Stripers lying in wait, finning the current. Accordingly, one wants to have plenty of floating running line in reserve, in the stripping basket, to mend ahead of the fly. Kenny went into great length on these techniques in his Striper Moon book. My fishing approach with the 12ft 6in TFO Spey rod is to single hand cast the head + some running line 45 degrees to the current, and, after mending during the drift, strip back to the head and execute either a single, double spey, or a snake roll if the line is at too great an angle to my target line. Hope this helps.